Home  
Site Partners: SpotterGuides Veloce Books  
Related Sites: Your Link Here  

Go Back   TenTenths Motorsport Forum > Barn Finds > ChampCar World Series

 
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 5 Oct 2002, 12:25 (Ref:396308)   #1
crazytrain
Racer
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Posts: 113
crazytrain should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
Rumours more rumours!

Watching sportsnet News here and they had a story on the Canadian boys and how Tracy is a done deal to Players. The Players team as you all know is owned by G. Forsyth who owns ~30% of CART, so you would think that the drivers on this team would know a little more about the latest F1 CART rumours than anyone else. Carpentier said in the interview something like Chris Pook and Gerry Forsyth have some big plans for next year that will be fantastic for CART I can't wait.

Chris Pook yesterday was interviwed during first round qualifying on Speed TV by Dereck Daly, he asked Pook about the rumors that he and Bernie were talking business. Pook replied that business was all that Bernie ever talks about and that he and Bernie met to have coffee.

Also the latest rumour (only a rumour) that I've heard on other forums is that CART may share weekends with F1 on the same tracks as a support race on a select few european tracks. To me this makes a lot more sense then the feeder series rumours.
crazytrain is offline  
Old 5 Oct 2002, 14:33 (Ref:396348)   #2
macdaddy
Veteran
 
macdaddy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Canada
St.Catharines Ontario
Posts: 8,125
macdaddy has a real shot at the podium!macdaddy has a real shot at the podium!macdaddy has a real shot at the podium!macdaddy has a real shot at the podium!
What would Bernie possibly have to gain from sharing tracks? The way I see it, he'd run the risk of losing fans to the ChampCars. And it sure would be a sudden "about-face" by Bernie, who, until now, despised CART.
macdaddy is offline  
__________________
Don't make a fuss, just get on the bus!
Old 5 Oct 2002, 15:36 (Ref:396364)   #3
crazytrain
Racer
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Posts: 113
crazytrain should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
So is CART gonna lose fans to the ALMS this weekend, don't think so.
crazytrain is offline  
Old 5 Oct 2002, 15:53 (Ref:396373)   #4
Lee Janotta
Veteran
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location:
Cleveland, Ohio, USA
Posts: 4,936
Lee Janotta should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
Perhaps they've decided that they have more to gain by sharing their fanbase and building it, rather than taking cheap shots at each other as it's always been?

CART needs to be a hell of a lot more than an F1 support series, though! Anything more than two weekends sharing venues with F1 is simply NOT acceptable.

At least they're equal partners when they share a weekend with ALMS. They really need to do Sebring next year.
Lee Janotta is offline  
__________________
"Put a ****ing wheel on there! Let me go out again!"
-Gilles Villeneuve, Zandvoort, 1979
Old 5 Oct 2002, 21:54 (Ref:396532)   #5
Russfeld
Veteran
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Posts: 3,840
Russfeld should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
CART fan base isnt large enough in Europe that F1 has anything to benefit from it. The TV figures are terrible
Russfeld is offline  
Old 5 Oct 2002, 22:05 (Ref:396539)   #6
Jay
Veteran
 
Jay's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 1999
United Nations
Canada
Posts: 6,038
Jay should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
From what I hear the TV deal in Europe is pretty bad too...which I imagine has a lot to do with it. I think the sport would be quite popular their if it received more exposure. It's like F1, but friendlier. And I don't think the fact that they brake a little earlier and are a little slower out of hairpins will mean the series has no hope in Europe. If you buy that, then the only successful series is F1.
Jay is offline  
__________________
"I used to hate writing, but now I enjoy it. I realized that the purpose of writing is to inflate weak ideas, obscure poor reasoning, and inhibit clarity. With a little practice, writing can be an intimidating and impenetrable fog!" - Calvin and Hobbes
Old 5 Oct 2002, 22:35 (Ref:396553)   #7
Russfeld
Veteran
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Posts: 3,840
Russfeld should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
Well given the respective fan bases, thats currently the case. Right now imo CART doesnt offer enough to be distinctive against F1. The passing situation is only marginally better, its not quite as quick as F1, etc. So the F1 fans look at it as a poor imitation of F1 and might as well just watch F3000 (in their minds)
Russfeld is offline  
Old 6 Oct 2002, 01:31 (Ref:396637)   #8
Jay
Veteran
 
Jay's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 1999
United Nations
Canada
Posts: 6,038
Jay should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
ok, that's what you think...

I think they'll like the different formula(turbos, big slicks, powersliding, kinda like F1 10 years ago), much friendlier atmosphere and hopefully cheaper cost for the fans. Not saying it will be a hit, but it would definately do better than F3000 which really is in no better shape than Cart right now.
Jay is offline  
__________________
"I used to hate writing, but now I enjoy it. I realized that the purpose of writing is to inflate weak ideas, obscure poor reasoning, and inhibit clarity. With a little practice, writing can be an intimidating and impenetrable fog!" - Calvin and Hobbes
Old 6 Oct 2002, 15:39 (Ref:396933)   #9
Flatspot
Veteran
 
Flatspot's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
United States
Salt Lake City
Posts: 1,301
Flatspot should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
If Montreal is any indication of what might happen if Bernie shares the F1 tracks I can see where each can do very well with a little cooperation.

Very often businesses that cooperate with each other both come out stronger (Pro motorsport is in fact a business). An example is the original version of IBM vs. Microsoft. When they went against each other IBM floundered, when they decided to cooperate IBM came out of a tailspin and their combined platform became the global standard. This being true even though it is generally accepted that its not the best platform available.

The alternative of declaring war on each other as TG has done has proven to be bad for both. Sometimes you have to ask the question, is it better to be the second son of a rich man or the first son of a poor man?
Flatspot is offline  
__________________
A good friend will come bail you out of jail. A true freind will be sitting next to you saying "Damn...that was fun!"
Old 7 Oct 2002, 10:01 (Ref:397386)   #10
BootsOntheSide
Veteran
 
Join Date: Sep 2001
England
Eastbourne, England
Posts: 13,000
BootsOntheSide should be qualifying in the top 3 on the gridBootsOntheSide should be qualifying in the top 3 on the gridBootsOntheSide should be qualifying in the top 3 on the gridBootsOntheSide should be qualifying in the top 3 on the grid
The thing is, as TG has set up the Indianapolis F1 track, Bernie has some promotional loyalty to him. Although a few CART races supporting F1 would be good, Bernie may notbe willing to, and Tony George may not like it, he may even use it as marketing ammunition agaisnt CART, and describe it as a little F1 support and development series.
BootsOntheSide is offline  
Old 7 Oct 2002, 11:51 (Ref:397455)   #11
Liz
Veteran
 
Join Date: Feb 1999
Location:
Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Posts: 12,451
Liz should be qualifying in the top 10 on the gridLiz should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
According to TG at the USGP, his contract was only for 3 years and is now up for review. And this doesn't mean that he will automatically get everything he wants for next year, does it?

As for whether or not it's better to be the second son of a rich man or the eldest of a poor man, well that depends a lot on your brother, doesn't it?
Liz is offline  
__________________
"If we won all the time, we'd be as unpopular as Ferrari, and we want to avoid that. We enjoy being a team that everybody likes." Flavio Briatore
Old 7 Oct 2002, 17:06 (Ref:397680)   #12
Tiresmoke
Racer
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location:
Chicago, IL
Posts: 221
Tiresmoke should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
Quote:
Originally posted by macdaddy
What would Bernie possibly have to gain from sharing tracks? The way I see it, he'd run the risk of losing fans to the ChampCars. And it sure would be a sudden "about-face" by Bernie, who, until now, despised CART.
I dont think Bernie ever despised CART, I think he was just apprehensive about a competing series, or someone moving in on his tracks. This means him possibly losing some sponsors, and losing money, which is not what bernie does. Aligning himself with CART in some way makes sense. I think Bernie would like to see F1 back at Long Beach. I love the city, but F1 doesn't belong at Indy.
Tiresmoke is offline  
 

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
2 Rumours oswald900 Australasian Touring Cars. 31 5 Dec 2003 11:16
Rumours getting around bradstar Australasian Touring Cars. 6 27 Oct 2001 13:47
Rumours! Les National & Club Racing 5 15 Oct 2001 13:20
ETC Rumours racer69 Touring Car Racing 1 11 Sep 2001 06:08


All times are GMT. The time now is 09:23.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Original Website Copyright © 1998-2003 Craig Antil. All Rights Reserved.
Ten-Tenths Motorsport Forums Copyright © 2004-2021 Royalridge Computing. All Rights Reserved.
Ten-Tenths Motorsport Forums Copyright © 2021-2022 Grant MacDonald. All Rights Reserved.