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1 Aug 2017, 04:12 (Ref:3756585) | #1 | ||
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Supercar RECs, StartUps & Performance
With so many drivers sniffing around, could we finally see those REC's come off ice and be pressed into service?
The field has looked more appealing with those couple extra rows on the grid filled thanks to the wildcards. |
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Are they still available, or have they been absorbed thus increasing everyone's shareholding
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Yep. Anyone who thinks breaking into the maingame as a team, is financially viable at this point in time, is kidding themselves.
When was the last time a new start-up came into the sport, and where are they now? |
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Erebus. ahead of walkinshaw and the factory nissans. driver in the top ten
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1 Aug 2017, 11:26 (Ref:3756667) | #9 | |
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According to your comments previously about Volvo that makes Erebus mid fielders
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1 Aug 2017, 11:47 (Ref:3756675) | #11 | ||
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I think before new recs/cars are brought in, a minimum standard has to be set. TheLDM cars are a joke, prehistoric second hand buckets of bolts. There are by far better equipped teams in super2. Matt Stone has superior machinery, engineering and funding than LDM by far. Maybe time for supercars to give someone else a shot. I understand LDM own the REC, but are they really doing it justice?
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1 Aug 2017, 12:08 (Ref:3756683) | #12 | ||
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Relegation is the answer!
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1 Aug 2017, 12:23 (Ref:3756695) | #13 | |
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Last proper start-up was LDM.
All the others since, were either buy-ins/outs, mergers, RECs serviced by other teams, or doing that prior to going solo (Tekno, CSR). Relegation/promotion system wouldn't really work. You'd have team after team dropping out each year, with no one else having the wherewithal to step up. Which is why there are a few RECs still sitting in Mr Warburton's bottom drawer. |
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1 Aug 2017, 13:01 (Ref:3756710) | #15 | |
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I wonder if the conditions of the RECs have been re-lawyered since the last time Mr L. Dumbrell dragged it through the courts?
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1 Aug 2017, 14:18 (Ref:3756721) | #16 | ||
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Clearly the engine and car preparation is more than acceptable, and well within 105%. It does not suggest a vehicle from "Planet Mork", running some 100hp down on the competition with clapped out shock absorbers... nothing of the sort. It suggests a well prepared vehicle with comparable power to the competition, competent vehicle setup and properly valved shock absorbers prepared with care. |
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2 Aug 2017, 08:56 (Ref:3756867) | #17 | |
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Yes too many people knock them and say, SBR-Erebus is old, KR-Nissan Motorsport is old, HRT and Walkinshaw are the only ones really the same, the other two were essentially brand new teams as of 2013
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1. They are enjoying it as a sport, no different to anyone paying $100 entry fees for Cricket, Football, Soccer. 2. Team sponsors get their name out there in which they wouldn't if it weren't for V8s some wouldn't be around now. 3. Motorsport, regardless of what anyone says, is why we have the car safety we have now, without it we would still be in a car equal to T models, people say but we would have advanced, No we wouldn't have to where we are now. In a sport things are developed well and quickly. A waste of money in my opinion is (without trying to be too political) giving those on a boat more then the diggers get for protecting our country. Another waste is CEO's and mayors of town councils on almost $500,000 pay a year. Old politicians no longer working earning more then the current prime minister. Not attacking you personally but it annoys me when I see the view of racing is a waste of money |
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1. Driver talent 2. A good engineer 3. R&D on the car 4. Sponsorship (which for LDM has picked up a massive amount for LDM #62 this year) I have seen the comments too here having a go at others earlier in the year and LDM turmoil saying where was Triple 8 in 2003, well they just need to remember that. If the team isn't dangerous then it has a right to be there. The only team that didn't warrant being on the grid that I can think of was TKR and that was due to a dangerous car as their drivers said. No one from LDM has said its dangerous, just slow and they don't want to be slow. But I do agree with your comment in regards to their good day pace |
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2 Aug 2017, 09:52 (Ref:3756877) | #21 | |
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Utter nonsense.
LDM had absolutely nothing, besides a several million dollar payout from CAMS. He bought a REC from Tasman, a car from Walkinshaw, rented a factory and set it all up from scratch from the get-go. No mergers, or buy-outs. Erebus, despite what Betty keeps saying year-in, year-out was never technically a new team. Simply a buy-out. That the entire existing workforce and sponsor base left over the course of the following two years, is entirely irrelevent. GRM has been around for 50+ years. You'd be drawing the world's longest bow to even suggest that they were a new team once they started churning out Volvos using virtually the same personnel that churned out the previous batch of Commodores. CSR had that REC parked elsewhere and serviced by three different teams before taking it, the core sponsor group, and his driver to do his own thing. Hardly a new team. Kellys/Nismo were a buy-out of Perkins Motorsport, and subsequent merger of what was left of the two former HSVDT RECs they owned. Not a clean slate concept either. There's your history lesson, sunshine. |
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Clutching at straws.
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"And yet most Supercar supporters speak with pride when they say that Supercars and modern motor racing has little in common with road cars because they are boring to watch."
Motorsport in all forms has every bit to do with modern safety. Anyone who says motorsport didn't help is a naïve braindead because it has helped in many ways |
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