Women in Circuit Racing

[Dasher]

Originally Posted by alfacors

Let's wait til the Spanish Series is over and if she wins, then the debate is concluded

Then the discussion will then turn to,"What has she got or did differently that all the others in the past didn't have or do?"

[speedreader]

You seem to have some real issues with females not performing well enough for you dont you Dasher...

I agree there are physical & mental challenges involved in motorsport and that to a lot of females these challenges may seem greater but I still refer back to the basic law of averages too. When you have 1000's of male drivers versus a few female drivers it is easy to see why you have a better chance of finding the males are more successful overall. It's like buying raffle tickets, if you buy 1 ticket in a draw of 100 you have 1 chance in 100 of winning but if you buy 99 tickets, you increase your chances of having the winning ticket...

It would be interesting to find a cashed up 'Ron Dennis' to go & select 3 male & 3 female genuine karting stars (& not just the pretty ones...) and give them all an equal chance to progress through the ranks & see what happens - might surprise a few people

[Dasher]

Originally Posted by speedreader

You seem to have some real issues with females not performing well enough for you dont you Dasher...

I agree there are physical & mental challenges involved in motorsport and that to a lot of females these challenges may seem greater but I still refer back to the basic law of averages too. When you have 1000's of male drivers versus a few female drivers it is easy to see why you have a better chance of finding the males are more successful overall. It's like buying raffle tickets, if you buy 1 ticket in a draw of 100 you have 1 chance in 100 of winning but if you buy 99 tickets, you increase your chances of having the winning ticket...

It would be interesting to find a cashed up 'Ron Dennis' to go & select 3 male & 3 female genuine karting stars (& not just the pretty ones...) and give them all an equal chance to progress through the ranks & see what happens - might surprise a few people

I have an issue with under performing drivers of any gender in top shelf motor sport,given that they have fairly equal equipment.

In particular, it has always puzzled me why a female has never been able to perform or produce consistently enough at the top of the pole to win a championship.

Regarding the Ron Dennis line, Yes it would be a very interesting project.

[Nero]

I've been lead to believe that some women perform very well with a pole...








...*boom tish*

[Nero]

and I did mean dancing...

[Rob29]

Originally Posted by Nero

and I did mean dancing...

Thought you meant pole vaulting-australian women seem to be good at that

[Aslak Vind]

Originally Posted by Dasher

Maybe I am not.

Tell us more,don't keep it to yourself,what else is there?

Millions, millions..

Any other daft questions?

[Dasher]

Originally Posted by Aslak Vind

Millions, millions..

Any other daft questions?

Is that the best you can come up with,millions & millions of what?

Everybody knows that money is involved in all forms of motorsport in varying amounts depending on the level you are racing at, so that is taken out of the equation.
Even if you have squillions it dosent mean that you will win.

Give us your insight into what may help a female win a championship in the future which is what the original intention of this thread was.

[stoned pony]

It's genetic. men can't have babies, women can't race cars. end of argument.

[NAC]

Originally Posted by stoned pony

It's genetic. men can't have babies, women can't race cars. end of argument.

Nice. That's likley to go down well

[275 GTB-4]

Just watched Symmons Plain Tasmania, Congratulations to Leanne Tander for winning the F3 race and coming second(?) in the Championship.

[TCR-028]

Originally Posted by stoned pony

It's genetic. men can't have babies, women can't race cars. end of argument.

So you want to be the pin up boy for the "Women who hate men" club huh ?

Leanne Tander is a hell of a steerer. I've watched her (and raced against her) in Improved Production and she certainly doesn't lack skill or "balls". And i mean that in the nicest possible way, when the helmet goes on she doesn't take crap from the guys...

There are probably a handful of guys in I.P who i'd rate higher than Leanne, but so what ? It's a fact of life that given the numbers of guys out there turning laps the odds are well and truly in favour of the people born with meat and potatoes...

And another thing to consider - she has proved herself in a few different classes and always been at the pointy end. Many shine in one class but can't repeat that when they tackle a different category...

I hope Leanne gets a run in the development series and does well. Be great for the sport to see her win...

[Oldtony]

Delving into ancient history but does anyone else remenber the drive by a lady named Mary Seed in the TT at Bathurst (1956 I think). Ran a 2ltr AC Bristol andabsoloutley monstered the C&D Jags, DB3s's etc across the top of the mountain. And they were being driven by a pretty impressive bunch of steerers like Gardner, Whiteford, Pitt, McKay, Phillips etc.

[Dasher]

Originally Posted by alfacors

Let's wait til the Spanish Series is over and if she wins, then the debate is concluded

Didn't win,ran third, had her chances but not very good in the wet it seems but a lot of males are just the same.

NEXT

[Mak]

I think that women generally may have a more sensible attitude (and competetive)to life and what is important.. I think that young men tend to focus on one goal which can take over their life, and that becomes the most important thing in life ( more than life). With men it takes decades for them to realise that there is more important things in life than being the fastest around a circuit. You therefore get more men competing seriously and hence the dominence. Physically there is no disadvantage to being female

[Dasher]

Originally Posted by Mak

I think that women generally may have a more sensible attitude (and competetive)to life and what is important.. I think that young men tend to focus on one goal which can take over their life, and that becomes the most important thing in life ( more than life). With men it takes decades for them to realise that there is more important things in life than being the fastest around a circuit. You therefore get more men competing seriously and hence the dominence. Physically there is no disadvantage to being female

Rubbish, sorry Mak you have no idea what you are talking about.

[Woolley]

Originally Posted by Dasher

Rubbish, sorry Mak you have no idea what you are talking about.

Can't beat a carefully thought out, well reasoned argument.

Could I just draw your attention to 'Attack the post, not the poster"?

[bazil]

This is easily fixed...

Simply name the last Nascar, BTCC, Japanese GT, V8SC, Indy, F1, WRC, GP Bike, etc etc Champion that was of the Miss or Mrs side of the fence???

Not to say it wont ever happen but to now it never has.

[RotorFan]

My opinion is that woman make better endurance drivers than sprint racers.

[Dasher]

Originally Posted by RotorFan

My opinion is that woman make better endurance drivers than sprint racers.

That may be so, but why has none of them ever won a championship?

[porsche91722]

Originally Posted by RotorFan

My opinion is that woman make better endurance drivers than sprint racers.

And you base this theory on ??

[Mak]

Sorry dasher, my 30 years engineering and running cars in international, british, european and Australian competitive championships successfully is obviously below your credential level. I may not have put my opinion very clearly (as I was rushed) but it is not rubbish. I have run both boys and girls..( a couple going on to greater things including F1) winning several championships. Until last week there had never been a colored world champion... in fact I remember discussing that fact in the late 80's,

[Mak]

Also had Ron Dennis not backed Lewis from an early age there probably still would not be... I wonder if Ron had backed a Girl??????

[Dasher]

Originally Posted by Mak

Sorry dasher, my 30 years engineering and running cars in international, british, european and Australian competitive championships successfully is obviously below your credential level. I may not have put my opinion very clearly (as I was rushed) but it is not rubbish. I have run both boys and girls..( a couple going on to greater things including F1) winning several championships. Until last week there had never been a colored world champion... in fact I remember discussing that fact in the late 80's,

Mak,with all due respect,I also have been involved for over 30 years and if you admit that you didnt put your opinion very clearly then you cannot blame me for calling it rubbish.

Your comment that there is no physical disadvantage between females & males astounds me as in a lot of cases the female have a more slim, lightweight frame than most males which is an advantage but they dont seem to have the special something that drives them to the top which most males seem to have.

Your comment about a colored F1 champion and Ron Dennis taking on a female was covered by myself and others earlier in the thread, it would be an interesting exercise.

You said that you have run both boys and girls..( a couple going on to greater things including F1) winning several championships.

Have any of the girls that you have run gone on to win any championships of note,which is the point of this thread?

[Dasher]

Originally Posted by bazil

This is easily fixed...

Simply name the last Nascar, BTCC, Japanese GT, V8SC, Indy, F1, WRC, GP Bike, etc etc Champion that was of the Miss or Mrs side of the fence???

Not to say it wont ever happen but to now it never has.

The question is WHY?