[VASC18R28R29] ITM Auckland SuperSprint Pukekohe 2-4 Nov

[Jam3s]

Originally Posted by Mixer

As per previous interpretations THIS YEAR, the above is interpreted as under one full rotation.

The small rotation indicating the engagement of the gear had already occured and obviously the spinning as the car was dropped was irrelevant to the above rule.

[Mixer]

Originally Posted by Jam3s

The small rotation indicating the engagement of the gear had already occured and obviously the spinning as the car was dropped was irrelevant to the above rule.

"sole discretion of the S&TD"

The intention of the rule is to protect crew.

Crew can't be near the car if it is going to be dropped.

This ruling is consistent with other mentioned rulings throughout the year, and no they were not 888 cars.

All the information you need has already been provided.

[M91]

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[Mixer]

Look at the perspective of that picture.

There are other angles that show it quite clearly.

[Umai Naa]

The thing that is overlooked is that Triple Eight had notified catagory management prior to the pitstop that #97 had a clutch issue. This is factored in, when tolerances in the rule are considered. There is a precedent for this.

[chavez]

Originally Posted by Umai Naa

The thing that is overlooked is that Triple Eight had notified catagory management prior to the pitstop that #97 had a clutch issue. This is factored in, when tolerances in the rule are considered. There is a precedent for this.

Why is this even relevant?

Drop the car in neutral and the select first gear. Yes this is going to be slower than selecting first gear prior to dropping the car, but surely it is up to the team to make a decision and risk a possible penalty or play it safe.

Teams shouldn’t be given a pass on compliance due to mechanical issues.

[Umai Naa]

It doesn't matter whether the car is in gear or in neutral, multiplate clutches drag, even when fully disengaged. In the #97's case, the clutch had a malfunction.

As per previous occurrences, teams are given leeway when there are clutch problems, provided they alert the officials before the next pitstop. That's the way the rules are.

[chavez]

Originally Posted by Umai Naa

It doesn't matter whether the car is in gear or in neutral, multiplate clutches drag, even when fully disengaged. In the #97's case, the clutch had a malfunction.

As per previous occurrences, teams are given leeway when there are clutch problems, provided they alert the officials before the next pitstop. That's the way the rules are.

Thanks Umai Naa, but I think the rules are wrong.

[Razor]

What Supercars need to do is engineer a way to prevent a way to stop the wheels spinning while the car is in the air and being dropped, like a bunch of sensors connected to a lock-out system where the car can't engage gear until it senses all four tyres are on the ground.

That or ban the car/driver from engaging a gear until all four tyres are on the ground to prevent any rotation of the wheels.

[JAFA851]

Or just accept the fact that maybe, just maybe, Supercars used their discretion because they didn't want to give a penalty and bury SvG way back in the pack and end the championship right there? Think about all the extra hype, attention, and coverage, which all = $$$$$$, they will get by keeping the championship alive until the very last race………….. So don't expect any penalties in the first race at Newcastle either………...

[on_to_it]

Originally Posted by Mixer

As per previous interpretations THIS YEAR, the above is interpreted as under one full rotation.

Oh for goodness sake. Look at the video again. When 1st gear was engaged, the wheels turned a fraction and stopped firmly. There's nothing wrong with that. BUT AFTER THAT, as the car was lowered to the ground the wheels were rotating. The reason doesn't matter because the rule as it's written says that must not happen. All this interpretation is ******** because the rule is CLEAR.

[Umai Naa]

The application of the rule, is at the discretion of the Sporting & Technical Director. Which is also a rule.

[on_to_it]

Originally Posted by Umai Naa

The application of the rule, is at the discretion of the Sporting & Technical Director. Which is also a rule.

Are you referring to 11.8.8.2 - A slight movement of the rear wheels indicating the engagement of a gear will not, at the sole discretion of the S&TD, constitute the rear wheels rotating.

If you are, I'm not referring to the engagement of a gear. I made that clear in my post.

Or is there another rule you know of that I haven't read?

[leothedrummer]

Easy fix - car off during a pitstop. No working on the cars whilst they're running / car not allowed to run whilst in the air. Any reason this wouldn't work?

[GTRMagic]

Originally Posted by leothedrummer

Easy fix - car off during a pitstop. No working on the cars whilst they're running / car not allowed to run whilst in the air. Any reason this wouldn't work?

Because the cars would heatsoak up and the starter motor solenoids may stick and they wont restart... ala Tekno at Bathurst when in the lead back in '13..

We could always to the AGT way and have minimum timed stops...

[on_to_it]

Originally Posted by leothedrummer

Easy fix - car off during a pitstop. No working on the cars whilst they're running / car not allowed to run whilst in the air. Any reason this wouldn't work?

I think it's really easy. Introduce a rule that states you can not engage gear until the car is dropped off the jacks. There's no risk of rotating wheels potentially causing injury (even with a clutch "problem"), and it's the same for everyone.

[leothedrummer]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

Because the cars would heatsoak up and the starter motor solenoids may stick and they wont restart... ala Tekno at Bathurst when in the lead back in '13..

Seems like many other categories around the world manage just fine. If the goal is to make the pit area a safer place to be then surely this would be a positive step.

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

We could always to the AGT way and have minimum timed stops...

Hey, lets not get carried away now.

[Mixer]

Originally Posted by on_to_it

I think it's really easy. Introduce a rule that states you can not engage gear until the car is dropped off the jacks. There's no risk of rotating wheels potentially causing injury (even with a clutch "problem"), and it's the same for everyone.

The car only goes into gear when all 4 crew hands are up so there's no risk of injury anyway.

[chavez]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

Because the cars would heatsoak up and the starter motor solenoids may stick and they wont restart... ala Tekno at Bathurst when in the lead back in '13..

We could always to the AGT way and have minimum timed stops...

Of course switching off the engine was one of the options available to Triple 8.

Telling the officials that you may breach the rules due to a mechanical issue when other options were available to the team is, well frankly, a little disingenuous.

[chavez]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

Because the cars would heatsoak up and the starter motor solenoids may stick and they wont restart... ala Tekno at Bathurst when in the lead back in '13..

We could always to the AGT way and have minimum timed stops...

Originally Posted by Mixer

The car only goes into gear when all 4 crew hands are up so there's no risk of injury anyway.

Clearly not the OH&S rep at your place of work. 😀

[Mixer]

Originally Posted by chavez

Telling the officials that you may breach the rules due to a mechanical issue when other options were available to the team is, well frankly, a little disingenuous.

No, actually, that's why the exception to the rule is right there, IN THE RULE

[GTRMagic]

Originally Posted by Mixer

No, actually, that's why the exception to the rule is right there, IN THE RULE

What stops you from telling the official EVERY time before a pitstop that the clutch us dicky and might spin the wheels when in the air?

[Average Punter]

Originally Posted by chavez

Of course switching off the engine was one of the options available to Triple 8.

Telling the officials that you may breach the rules due to a mechanical issue when other options were available to the team is, well frankly, a little disingenuous.

Other options? Shane's foot on the brake pedal perhaps?? Surely that would work.

[Mixer]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

What stops you from telling the official EVERY time before a pitstop that the clutch us dicky and might spin the wheels when in the air?

Telemetry?

Also, there's nothing to be gained from it, regardless.

[Umai Naa]

I don't understand why people get so mad about an outcome to a sporting event.

I don't feel any poorer for how the NZ event played out, in any way, shape, or form. There are bigger things in life to worry about, than how a catagory goes about its racing.