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Old 24 Mar 2004, 18:03 (Ref:918192)   #166
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Wow, Michael, thanks very much for your effort.

Couple of things -

I mentioned just a bit earlier that the HU05 that Foz has was run by them in 1999 as a "T284" (according to magazine reports, I didn't get to see it -Any programmes to confirm this?), so was this Schulthess' car?

6 & 7 look prety well sorted out (He said hopefully), I guess we may not no which particular events 8 & 9 took part in.

So I still have some doubts on the original 2 JoBo team cars - Did we start off with the wrong assumptions?

Plus, and this may not be part of our "story" at all, Reudi Jauslin's "T286-HU50" raced in Interserie betwenn 1978 & 1983 - Is this (most likely) a 2-litre chassis uprated, or a misprint of HU05? The one photo I have of shows a tall airbox, alost identical to Schulthess' car.

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Old 25 Mar 2004, 02:38 (Ref:918660)   #167
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The Bert Skidmore Lola T286 (1976).
The writeup in the Philip Island programme states that it is chassis no.HU286/7.
Being the 1st built out of 4 cars constructed. HU286/7 raced at LeMans from 1976 thru to 1981.
It also raced in the French Sportscar championship by Henri Pescarolo.
Bert Skidmore purchased it in April 1999 and rebuilt it groundup.
Hope this helps.
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Old 25 Mar 2004, 13:47 (Ref:919130)   #168
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Yes, I agree, the one advertised by Fox (HU05 ot T280/5, whatever you want to call it!) could well be the Schulthess car, although I am not sure when it would have acquired the HU05 chassis plate (maybe post-Kyalami?). You mention that it appeared in 1999 in the RJB Thundersports series - does anyone know who ran/administered that series as they might have some documentation for it still? If you have any pics of the Schulthess and Jauslin cars you could share, that would be good, as I've never seen photos of either.

Re the Jauslin car, I guess either of your two explanations are plausible! It would fit if it was a misprint and the chassis tag in the car was really HU05 and also it could be a 2-litre car uprated. Do we know how many 2-litre cars were built (a lot, I would guess!) and if so I suppose the only answer is to try and find out where/whom chassis T29*/50 was sold to?

MickJ

Thank you, thank you! I was really hoping somebody who was there/had a programme might dive in! That's very useful. Does it give any indication as to what sort of era Pescarolo might have driven it in the French Sportscar Championship (actually I didn't know there was one!) I mean did you get the impression they meant in the early 1980s once its Le Mans career was over or are we talking recently? I guess the best thing is to get on to Bert Skidmore himself and ask him what else he knows about it.

The date of April 1999 would seem to suggest that this cannot have been the same T286/7 that was offered for sale/(sold?) at the Poulain auction, as I am sure somebody said that was December 1999 or even 2000. Problem is, I can't find any record of it on their website - does anybody have the exact date of the sale? I'm sure PHDM had some details and even pics of the cars and chassis plates but I can't find them...

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Old 25 Mar 2004, 14:15 (Ref:919158)   #169
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Michael, the RJB series was part of the HSCC calendar.

Courtesy of the Moity/Teissedre 2-volume LM book, here's the Schulthess car at LM75:

This car also ran with a triangular section central airbox, I know I have a photo somewhere... and Jauslin's car has this airbox - There'a paddock photo of it here:

http://racingsportscars.t35.com/phot...-16-photo.html


HU50 would have been a T292. Guess what? Schulthess ran a T292 at the LM 4hours in 1973...
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Old 25 Mar 2004, 16:57 (Ref:919276)   #170
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Thanks for the pic of Schulthess at Le Mans 75 and the link to the Jauslin car - I also found another one at the bottom of that page, a sort of rear three-quarter shot with all the bodywork on.

So the Schulthess car *could* have been his 73 2-litre upgraded? It might make sense if it was but for the sake of our chassis history it kind of fits in better if it was T280/2(2) upgraded.

BTW, when I spoke to the chap at Lola yesterday, he didn't disagree that it was the original T280/2 that was written off in the Bonnier crash.

However, I guess we still do not know that for sure, so there is a feint possibility that it could have been HU01 that was crashed and written off.

Personally, I feel certain that the original, hacked-around prototype would have been given to the pay drivers but you never know, one car might have had a better/newer spec engine in it...

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Old 25 Mar 2004, 22:18 (Ref:919552)   #171
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Michael,

More observations re:Schulthess - The car is referred to in it's first appearance at LM74 (by Autosport) as a "new T280/4". At Ricard & Kyalami it's called a T282 (There's another photo of it in Autosport's Kyalami report, if you have that issue)
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Old 25 Mar 2004, 23:13 (Ref:919624)   #172
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Yes, I should have that - what is the issue date?

Do you agree that Jauslin used his car up until August 84? I found a record of him doing a hillclimb and he used it in a couple of other races (Swiss Championship?) that year.

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Old 25 Mar 2004, 23:33 (Ref:919644)   #173
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Autosport is 14 Nov. 1974 (Larrousse Matra at Kyalami on the cover)

Yes, Agree that Jauslin ran it in the Swiss Champ. & Euro. Hillclimb champ. up to 1984.
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Old 26 Mar 2004, 08:11 (Ref:919870)   #174
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No mention of when Henri Pescarolo raced the Lola. Just mentioned that he raced it.
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Old 26 Mar 2004, 09:18 (Ref:919904)   #175
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Thanks for that - I'll have a look today.

Mickj

OK, no problem, thanks for looking. I have HP's contact details somewhere so I guess it might be worth giving him a ring - when I get the time!

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Old 27 Mar 2004, 10:34 (Ref:921088)   #176
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In the Rosso Bianco collection there's a T292, with a tall Schulthess / Jauslin-like airbox...

I guess from the nose sticker, it raced in the Supersports cup at some point, but don't know who drove it..


http://www.shmoo.com/~bmc/photos/Car...f0046.jpg.html

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Old 27 Mar 2004, 18:29 (Ref:921413)   #177
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Blimey Jeremy that's a bit too close to be a coincidence, don't you think?! There can't have been too many cars with a distinctive airbox, central rear-view mirror, and the rear (brake?) ducts like that, can there? Also, what is under that airbox - a dummy engine? Surely if it was a 2-litre engine that kind of airbox wouldn't fit? You can even see white paint on the nose where it has flaked away - maybe that is another clue too.

So perhaps Schulthess/Jauslin's car really was a T292 uprated, maybe even the car built by Lola and sold originally to Jolly Club which ran Dijon 73 with the Capri V6 or Schulthess's original 73 T292 uprated?

Do you know of anyone who has results for the Orwell Supersports - surely they haven't been backing it for that long have they?-

Michael

PS - I get the feeling that Rosso Bianco is somewhere I really ought to go...
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Old 27 Mar 2004, 20:28 (Ref:921479)   #178
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Michael,

The series website is
http://www.orwell-supersportscup.com

but only has 2002-03 results. The T292s in those years are chassis I've seen a few years ago, and so they're not the item in question. (And we don't know how long the car has been at Rosso Bianco)

I'm not sure about previous series, but Roman Krejci's site at http://isr.cudlici.com/ has some results (Balton's T282 gets a few mentions), but not complete.

Unfortunately, as we've seen, contemporary reports don't give much on the Schulthess car's history, although I've only ised Autosport, have got MN reports for that period.

Well, I'd love to go to Rosso Bianco too, but my circumstances will need to change somewhat.
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Old 28 Mar 2004, 03:44 (Ref:921724)   #179
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Pack your bags and GO to Rosso Bianco, you wont be sorry if you do. We, my wife and I went in 2001. Its a great Sportscar place.
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Old 28 Mar 2004, 10:43 (Ref:921925)   #180
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Hi Jeremy/Mickj

I know what you mean Jeremy about circumstances having to change - so many places, so little time...and so much money needed to get there! I did think that if I made a visit to the Ring it was probably only one and a half to two hours on from there, judging by a quick look at the map. But I don't have any plans to do that this year at present!

Re Martin's site, something interesting caught my eye, which was Jorg Zaborowski, Palm Springs, was the entrant for Dieter Quester in the Supersports race at the Ring 28/6/92, so this might offer up one or two ways of making contact with him to put a few more pieces of the jigsaw into place. As a result of this reference to Palm Springs, I believe I have tracked him down and am about to fire off an email to see what he can tell me...I'll let you know if/what I hear from him.

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