Oreca - Page 2

SALEEN S7R · 17 Nov 2004, 22:10 (Ref:1156474)

I dunno, if Oreca were running the cars they could still be competitve I think. At least mixing it with the 550s and C5R's. Perhaps not new cars like the MC12 DBR9 and C6R though...

tblincoe · 18 Nov 2004, 08:08 (Ref:1156758)

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Originally posted by SALEEN S7R
I dunno, if Oreca were running the cars they could still be competitve I think. At least mixing it with the 550s and C5R's. Perhaps not new cars like the MC12 DBR9 and C6R though...

you really think the Viper could mix it up with the 550 and C5-R? huh, maybe so now that i think of it, but i just don't know if that chassis had that much more speed left in it. with new michelins and pro drivers maybe so...

just thinking of the old oreca cars makes me want some Vipers running at the front again. PLEASE DEVELOP THE NEXT GEN GTS-R ORECA, PLEASE!!!

**GTRMagic** · 18 Nov 2004, 09:03 (Ref:1156808)

More work on the engine, better drivers, factory Michelins (as opposed to customer rubber), aero revisions... loads to be done...

But the differences now are in fractions of percentages as opposed to leaps and bounds....

Regis · 18 Nov 2004, 15:08 (Ref:1157101)

would could make anyone possibly think the 550 is no longer a front runner?

pounetbf · 18 Nov 2004, 17:02 (Ref:1157179)

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Originally posted by simon c
Hughes de Chaunac stated in 2000 that his motivation was to win Le Mans outright with a manufacturer. Chrysler's pull out in 2001 stymied that, but I can't see how his motivation will have changed.

But ORECA has already done it, with the Mazda

(quite a nice soud...)

tblincoe · 18 Nov 2004, 17:11 (Ref:1157191)

i definitely think that people are looking past the 550 too Regis... i would take a 550 any day over a S7-R, 575, R-GT, and for the price, even a MC-12. the 550 has been every bit as fast as the MC-12 so far and it is a very reliable platform. i would definitely take a look at Care's lease program for 2005 if I were a team owner

Bramzel · 18 Nov 2004, 17:12 (Ref:1157192)

Sorry for the language, but no ****ing way that a Viper could get up to speed with the MC12/Saleens/550. Larbre always had the latest Oreca stuff, the best Michelins and a top driver in the form of Bouchut, and in 2003 they couldn't keep up anymore already. Imagine how that would be with the current opposition. I'm sure Oreca could improve the car to be faster then Zwaans or Veregra. But to say that they could get it back on speed with the MC12 for example is like saying that Porsche could get the 993 GT2 on speed with them.

SALEEN S7R · 18 Nov 2004, 20:38 (Ref:1157390)

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Originally posted by Bramzel
But to say that they could get it back on speed with the MC12 for example is like saying that Porsche could get the 993 GT2 on speed with them.

Not really, the 911 GT2 was never as fast as the Vipers. Remember 1999/2000 anyone? How many times did a Porsche GT2 win during those years?

simon c · 18 Nov 2004, 20:57 (Ref:1157404)

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Originally posted by pounetbf
But ORECA has already done it, with the Mazda

(quite a nice soud...)

yes i know, just repeating what he said in 2000. guess he has the taste for it?

does dieudonne still work for him?

simon c · 18 Nov 2004, 21:00 (Ref:1157405)

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Originally posted by Bramzel
Sorry for the language, but no ****ing way that a Viper could get up to speed with the MC12/Saleens/550. Larbre always had the latest Oreca stuff, the best Michelins and a top driver in the form of Bouchut, and in 2003 they couldn't keep up anymore already. Imagine how that would be with the current opposition. I'm sure Oreca could improve the car to be faster then Zwaans or Veregra. But to say that they could get it back on speed with the MC12 for example is like saying that Porsche could get the 993 GT2 on speed with them.

have to agree - even at spa in 2003, where you'd expect the viper to go well bouchot was no match on pace for the bms 550's, van de poele in konrads saleen or jcw's and piccini's listers

Bramzel · 18 Nov 2004, 22:39 (Ref:1157506)

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Originally posted by SALEEN S7R
Not really, the 911 GT2 was never as fast as the Vipers. Remember 1999/2000 anyone? How many times did a Porsche GT2 win during those years?

No kidding

In 1999/2000 the Porsche was getting old already, while the Viper was at the top of it's potential after 3 years of developing. 1999/2000 was what last year was for the Prodrive 550's. The 993 was a good car, but born in the wrong years -> the era of the McLarenF1, Ferrari F40, the good old BPR era.

tblincoe · 19 Nov 2004, 03:44 (Ref:1157642)

i have to agree with Bramzel on that one... great example on Larbre in 2003

SALEEN S7R · 19 Nov 2004, 04:03 (Ref:1157651)

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Originally posted by simon c
have to agree - even at spa in 2003, where you'd expect the viper to go well bouchot was no match on pace for the bms 550's, van de poele in konrads saleen or jcw's and piccini's listers

Agreed but the car did finish in 4th place overall at the Spa 24hrs, and did qualify a very respectable 7th place overall, and not the fastest Viper out there either, Force one got their car 4th in qualifying. The Labre Viper started ahead of more Ferrari 550s than were behind it.

Fab · 19 Nov 2004, 04:45 (Ref:1157671)

FYI : Jack Leconte (Larbre) mentionned in the last Lm Racing issue that they'll try to enter two 550 at LM (at least one is already qualified), and are in touch with Don Panoz for an Esperante GT2 program (but still working on it for now, no confirmation)...

SALEEN S7R · 19 Nov 2004, 04:47 (Ref:1157672)

Excellent news Fab!

Will be intresting to see if the #1 Labre car can hang with the Vettes, DBR9's and MC12's, not to mention the BMS 550's and privateer S7R's. GT1 really will be the class to watch next year, sure not for the overall win perhaps but I bet u theres gonna be a darn site more RACING going on in the GT1 class than ull see in LMP 1...

tblincoe · 19 Nov 2004, 04:48 (Ref:1157673)

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Originally posted by Fab
FYI : Jack Leconte (Larbre) mentionned in the last Lm Racing issue that they'll try to enter two 550 at LM (at least one is already qualified), and are in touch with Don Panoz for an Esperante GT2 program (but still working on it for now, no confirmation)...

wasn't it already confirmed that Larbre has purchased two Esperantes?

SALEEN S7R · 19 Nov 2004, 04:49 (Ref:1157674)

I think Fab means some kind of "works" programme, or "works assisted" programme in assosiation with Panoz.

Fab · 20 Nov 2004, 07:21 (Ref:1159006)

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Originally posted by tblincoe
wasn't it already confirmed that Larbre has purchased two Esperantes?

No, and it's still not confirmed that they did... I think they won't "buy" the cars...

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Originally posted by SALEEN S7R
I think Fab means some kind of "works" programme, or "works assisted" programme in association with Panoz.

Yep !

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Originally posted by SALEEN S7R
Will be intresting to see if the #1 Labre car can hang with the Vettes

Remember the first two hours at LM this year ? The five cars (2xVettes and 3x550) altogether ?

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