Most overtakes in one lap

jnr blue 91 · 27 Jul 2007, 11:11 (Ref:1974703)

does winklehock now hold the record for most overtkes in one lap with 20??

i beleive he didnt take riaknenon on the first lap but did everybody elese

Sev · 27 Jul 2007, 15:29 (Ref:1974789)

I'm sure in the days when there were more than 22 cars on track, that someone had overtaken the entire field before.

BootsOntheSide · 27 Jul 2007, 16:02 (Ref:1974823)

Driving past people as they pit doesn't really count.

I think John Watson passed 4 drivers in one lap in the US in 1983 - en route to winning from 22nd on the grid.

Mr V · 27 Jul 2007, 16:11 (Ref:1974828)

Juan Pablo started 20th at Germany 2005 and was 8th by the end of the first lap iirc.

Dutton · 27 Jul 2007, 18:33 (Ref:1974903)

Michael made up a lot of spots at Suzuka 1998.

Senna must've done something ridiculous at some point?

Mika in France 1999 (I can't remember what he did, but it was wet and he started 16th (or something)?

I will keep thinking on this one, but do not have time to type now.

BootsOntheSide · 27 Jul 2007, 19:22 (Ref:1974933)

Pretty much all the greats have had podium finishes after starting from double-figures or dropping to the back early on. Not sure which includes the most actual overtaking moves - possibly Schumacher at Spa 1995?

Rockmunky · 27 Jul 2007, 21:43 (Ref:1974997)

I'm thinking of Senna at Donington, in the pouring rain. That was pretty impressive stuff.

Dutton · 27 Jul 2007, 22:18 (Ref:1975018)

But wasn't that just 4th to 1st? After that he was nothing but a dot.

Knowlesy · 27 Jul 2007, 22:21 (Ref:1975020)

Certainly a mesmeric lap, but he passed only four or five cars yeah.

The Montoya lap Mr V mentions springs to my mind. twentieth to eighth is some going in one lap. It's hard to think of anything similar to that really. It's rare you have the circumstances for that kind of thing.

Super Hans · 27 Jul 2007, 22:25 (Ref:1975024)

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Originally Posted by Dutton

But wasn't that just 4th to 1st? After that he was nothing but a dot.

He passed Wendlinger, Hill, Schumacher and Prost, I think.

He had started 4th but briefly dropped to 5th.

I may be wrong, but I can't be bothered putting the DVD on.

runshaw · 27 Jul 2007, 22:47 (Ref:1975040)

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Originally Posted by Knowlesy

The Montoya lap Mr V mentions springs to my mind. twentieth to eighth is some going in one lap. It's hard to think of anything similar to that really. It's rare you have the circumstances for that kind of thing.

Justin Wilson in 2003 in his first F1 start for Minardi came from 22nd to 9th by the end of the first lap. Then at round 2 in Malaysia he started somewhere between 20-22nd (can't remember exactly) and was up to 9th again at the end of lap one.

Knowlesy · 27 Jul 2007, 22:49 (Ref:1975042)

There were only twenty cars in 2003 I think, but yes. Forgot Justin! He made the most incredible starts and in a Minardi too!

A travesty he wasn't given a better shot at F1, he sure deserved it.

Marbot · 27 Jul 2007, 22:49 (Ref:1975045)

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Originally Posted by BootsOntheSide

Driving past people as they pit doesn't really count.

What! Modern F1 phylosophy is based entirely on this phenomena.

runshaw · 27 Jul 2007, 22:52 (Ref:1975046)

This lap is incredible. Alonso on lap one in Hungary last year if anyone remembers. It isn't a record but he overtakes about 7 cars. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBh-2T0NDj0

Mekola · 28 Jul 2007, 07:16 (Ref:1975149)

When Michael started from 16th at 1995 Belgian GP, he quickly went up to around 5th on first laps of the race. And finally, he won.
And it isn't the only race that he won starting from the bottom lines...

Mekola · 28 Jul 2007, 07:18 (Ref:1975151)

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Originally Posted by Dutton

Michael made up a lot of spots at Suzuka 1998.

Senna must've done something ridiculous at some point?

1988 Brazilian GP. Senna stalled his car at the start, went for his muletto, and from pits flied from last to second on 30 laps. But finally was disqualified because he can't use the reserve car when the race was started. Montoya did a similar thing some years ago.

runshaw · 28 Jul 2007, 08:51 (Ref:1975190)

One of the best races I have ever seen was Hockenheim 2000 on the old track. Barrichello started 18th and won his first race for Ferrari.

maximus · 28 Jul 2007, 08:59 (Ref:1975193)

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Originally Posted by Mekola

1988 Brazilian GP. Senna stalled his car at the start, went for his muletto, and from pits flied from last to second on 30 laps. But finally was disqualified because he can't use the reserve car when the race was started. Montoya did a similar thing some years ago.

Didn't he almost do the same in Suzuka that year where he nearly stalled? That time though he wasn't excluded.

**chunterer** · 28 Jul 2007, 09:15 (Ref:1975199)

That reference to Montoya 2 years ago in Hockenheim is awesome! I knew he'd done a lot of people early in the race but 16 on the first lap??!!!

I would put money on him having done similar things at various times as well during his time in F1 as we're talking 'one lap' and not just from the back!!

Imola 2001 - I believe he went from something like 10th to 6th on the opening lap? including 1 stunning pass on Panis coming into the final chicane around the outside

The Schu 95; Spa one was the other one I thought of as well (but not quite as good as Hockenheim above!!)

Button last Sunday must've done quite a few before he binned it and all?

What about Kimi Bahrain 2006 or something?

mattt · 28 Jul 2007, 09:24 (Ref:1975203)

hamilton did 10th to 4th between the the startline and the 2nd corner before he got a puncture.

**chunterer** · 28 Jul 2007, 09:30 (Ref:1975206)

People like Mansell and Gilles must be contenders at some time in their careers!

Anyone got any examples of their one lap feats?

jab · 28 Jul 2007, 10:37 (Ref:1975232)

Nigel must have overtaken a few on the opening lap of Hungary 89

**Dani Filth** · 28 Jul 2007, 10:44 (Ref:1975235)

alesi from 9th to 1st at Monza 96 .. IIRC

Marbot · 28 Jul 2007, 11:01 (Ref:1975238)

The thing with this 'back to front' mallarky is that you don't know if they are genuine overtaking manouevres or just the guy in the slower car getting out of the way so as not to wreck their races.

Certainly when Massa did is 'thing' the cars were for the most part just getting out of his way.

You don't want to ruin your strategy by battling with a Ferrari if the car you're really racing with is a few seconds further up the road.

luke · 28 Jul 2007, 11:09 (Ref:1975243)

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Originally Posted by runshaw

Justin Wilson in 2003 in his first F1 start for Minardi came from 22nd to 9th by the end of the first lap. Then at round 2 in Malaysia he started somewhere between 20-22nd (can't remember exactly) and was up to 9th again at the end of lap one.

Yes what Wilson did in the Minardi was amazing in his first race. Can't compare what Montoya did in one of the best cars when he should have been wining but didn't as he was just arrogant and clumsy.

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