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Old 28 Jan 2004, 18:06 (Ref:853995)   #31
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TimD should be qualifying in the top 3 on the gridTimD should be qualifying in the top 3 on the gridTimD should be qualifying in the top 3 on the grid
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Old 28 Jan 2004, 18:11 (Ref:854001)   #32
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Old 28 Jan 2004, 18:14 (Ref:854005)   #33
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Old 28 Jan 2004, 19:50 (Ref:854146)   #34
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Perhaps we need to identify who our target audience is?

Oh dear, here I go again .....

I think that it is fair to say that the two VSCC events that draw the largest audiences are Prescott and Mallory. The people that go to these events are mainly members, and a number of people never see any of the competition (maybe with the exception of the Edwardian race) but spend their time socialising and car spotting in the carpark or the paddock.

When I restarted going to VSCC events in the early '80s (I had a break when Dad's hobby switched to aircraft photography in the '70's and being under the age of 10 I went with my parents as I enjoyed sharing their hobbies) I remember that the Vintage carpark at Silverstone was awesome, and we used to "miss" a number of races to look around it and the paddock. Last year when we marshalled at all three days of the Silverstone VSCC days (two of which were the joint VSCC/HSCC meet) we could hardly find any Pre-War cars to park with.

My question is why are we running VSCC Race meetings? Are they:[list=1][*]For the benefit of the majority of VSCC members?[*]For the members who wish to compete at the events?[*]To attract new members who wish to spectate at race meetings?[*]To spread the name of the VSCC to a wider audience?[/list=1]

The current approach is moving away from option 1. The majority of members appear to either not wish to go to some venues or to see certain types of racing - they are failing to attend if the "Vintage Carpark" is a measure to judge by.

It is debatable whether the majority of members are happy with the second option. Currently the accounting for events is anything but transparant, and I am unable to say which meetings are truely self-funding. Other types of meeting organised by the club are expected to be self-funding.

Attracting new members is an admirable intention. However, should the enjoyment of existing members be subjugated for the benefit of new members who are only interested in those aspects that are not core to the club's activities? For example, if say someone is only attracted to meetings for the modern F1 demonstrations will they really join the club? What else is there in the club for them?

Spreading the name of the VSCC to a wider audience is an admirable intention. But at the expense of satisfying the desires of existing members? Commercial organisations sometimes choose to change their target markets (eg Skoda changing from producing joke cars to joking about their cars) but should members' organisations do this without reference to their membership?

Sorry for my second rant on this Forum , but I've been holding it in for 18 months on the other place and have had to get it off my chest.

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Old 31 Jan 2004, 15:55 (Ref:857683)   #35
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I have been attending and competing at VSCC meetings for 35 years solely because I have an interest in Vintage and Prewar sports cars. Whilst I can watch and enjoy a historic racing car or sports car race at a VSCC meeting I have little interest in seeing any moves to make these or more modern racers the main thrust of a VSCC meet.
A further item for consideration - does anyone else feel that Silverstone in particular and possibly Donnington as well are too impersonal for VSCC racing? Safety issues for modern cars have placed spectators so far back from the action, much behind huge wire fencing that they spoil the enjoyment for me. I know that this can be overcome by marshalling but that doesn't answer the question of how do we get thousands more to attend and I wonder if some of the circuits themselves are part of the problem.
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Old 31 Jan 2004, 17:35 (Ref:857759)   #36
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I couldn't agree with you more. Certain circuits are so fundementally unfriendly that I wonder why the VSCC go there when other alternatives are available? The public appear to vote with their "wheels" - entries are always full at Prescott and Mallory, yet are weak at Silverstone and Donington, and as for the "Vintage" carparks .....

My VSCC racing highlights for this season? The Edwardian Race, the Spero trophy, and the Moggies at Mallory and Cadwell.

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PS IMHO, the best place to see '50s and 60s cars? The Goodwood Revival - an original circuit, interesting cars (competing and spectating), period dress, and the aircraft. The VSCC puts on club meetings (and very good they are too), but the Goodwood Revival is in a different league.
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The Angouleme circuit is great for our kind of cars, the Edwardians last year not only looked fast from close up, the results showed that they were fast! And what a spectacle from the trackside enclosures,even closer than Mallory Park.
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Whilst I can watch and enjoy a historic racing car or sports car race at a VSCC meeting I have little interest in seeing any moves to make these or more modern racers the main thrust of a VSCC meet.

A further item for consideration - does anyone else feel that Silverstone in particular and possibly Donnington as well are too impersonal for VSCC racing? Safety issues for modern cars have placed spectators so far back from the action, much behind huge wire fencing that they spoil the enjoyment for me.
I would agree that the emphasis should not move away from the VSCC races and handicaps. Much earlier in this thread TimD suggested guest events which might spice it up enough for those who are more broadly into historic racing to swell the spectaor base.

I'd be disapppointed to see the Silverstone April meeting disappear since it is a most enjoyable first event of my spectating year. Good viewing can be had on the outside of the complex where the terraces allow spectators a clear view over the safety fence. Mind you, on a purely selfish note, I wouldn't want too many spectators there to impede my viewing/filming!!
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