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Old 5 Sep 2020, 04:15 (Ref:4000155)   #1776
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Any truth to the rumour (i just started) that clair and frannk are moving to Marinello? She will look nice in red..
Considering the budget limitations Williams has had, and the relative performance of the two teams, Claire and Frank would be a significant management upgrade at Marinello.
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Old 5 Sep 2020, 10:21 (Ref:4000186)   #1777
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Interesting that the new owners wanted Claire to stay on. They obviously do value her
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Old 5 Sep 2020, 10:40 (Ref:4000196)   #1778
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Interesting that the new owners wanted Claire to stay on. They obviously do value her
Just playing Devils Advocate here but maybe they just wanted her to help with the transition by continuing to work full time (instead of part time which is what she is apparently going to do)?
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Old 5 Sep 2020, 11:05 (Ref:4000202)   #1779
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Old 5 Sep 2020, 15:17 (Ref:4000269)   #1780
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Does he mean Bruno Senna?
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Old 5 Sep 2020, 15:39 (Ref:4000273)   #1781
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I believe William B is referring to William S as being a tool for opening doors etc.
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Old 5 Sep 2020, 18:01 (Ref:4000292)   #1782
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Well both cars were painfully slow in quali, not a good sign for the race
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Old 5 Sep 2020, 18:18 (Ref:4000295)   #1783
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Well both cars were painfully slow in quali, not a good sign for the race
A change in Team Principle won’t alter the appalling aero , hopefully the new owners will clear out the overpaid overrated cruisers and stand up and try and get some of the Brain drain leavers back - Symonds and Smedley would be a good start
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History repeats,a lot of people forget Frank Williams sold a big share in Williams Mark 1 to Walter Wolf in the '70s and got manouvered out the back door of his own team.
Then sprang up again with with the new Williams Mark 2 team and Alan Jones.
Maybe a new Phoenix Mark 3 will arise?.
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Old 5 Sep 2020, 21:08 (Ref:4000320)   #1785
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Based on Claire's interview on C4 tonight, that would be highly unlikely. But you are correct about the Wolf thing.
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A change in Team Principle won’t alter the appalling aero , hopefully the new owners will clear out the overpaid overrated cruisers and stand up and try and get some of the Brain drain leavers back - Symonds and Smedley would be a good start
Staff changes would be good but no point bringing some of the worst deadwood back!
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Williams appoint Simon Roberts, as acting Team Principal.

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My guess that is an easy short term solution given he was already in the team? Or is he in the running for the permanent solution?

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My guess that is an easy short term solution given he was already in the team? Or is he in the running for the permanent solution?

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Don't think there is anyone internally who is right fulltime?

So who do we think maybe pursued?

What do we think of these chaps?

Martin Whitmarsh?
Pat Symmonds back from Brawn's gang?
Bob Bell?
Gerhard??
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Don't think there is anyone internally who is right fulltime?

So who do we think maybe pursued?

What do we think of these chaps?

Martin Whitmarsh?
Pat Symmonds back from Brawn's gang?
Bob Bell?
Gerhard??
Certainly not Berger - massively experienced but has the same attention span as Boris Jonson.

Symonds? Rarely do Engineers make good team principals.

A Steidle / Wolfe type figure is needed IMO.

Sackcloth and ashes back to Jos Capito?

Or maybe the current bloke will do OK....
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Symonds already had a crack at Williams and it didn't really work. I doubt that would be a happy partnership.
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Didn't really work? By what measure ? When he was there they were regular podium visitors
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Didn't really work? By what measure ? When he was there they were regular podium visitors
By the measure of his contract not having been renewed in 2016, and by the measure of some acquaintances who were there on and off at the time saying that it didn't really work and it wasn't a very happy relationship, at least from where they were standing.

If it had been a roaring success, Williams wouldn't have been sold and they'd have been challenging for the titles, no?
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By the measure of his contract not having been renewed in 2016, and by the measure of some acquaintances who were there on and off at the time saying that it didn't really work and it wasn't a very happy relationship, at least from where they were standing.

If it had been a roaring success, Williams wouldn't have been sold and they'd have been challenging for the titles, no?
Mate you cannot be suggesting their current predicament is down to Pat Symmonds? No doubt he did upset the long term cruisers there but the current situation is imo down to a single person...
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Mate you cannot be suggesting their current predicament is down to Pat Symmonds? No doubt he did upset the long term cruisers there but the current situation is imo down to a single person...
Just the fact that the last lot did not like him should be a ringing endorsement.

Some of the people that Williams let go were probably right on the money as to what was wrong with the team, start in on the sacred cows and you will probably get terminated, even though that is exactly where the changes need to be made.

Bit like F1 aero.
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Mate you cannot be suggesting their current predicament is down to Pat Symmonds? No doubt he did upset the long term cruisers there but the current situation is imo down to a single person...
for me it less about one person/one family then it is about adamantly holding onto a philosophy that did not allow them to to become a factory or subsidiary team and/or buy more parts from Mercedes...well that and lack of money.

i know it cost the team performance and now they have no team (just money so big win for irony), but as much at it hurt the team, i respect their code and more so i respect their attempts to live by that code.

live by the sword die by the sword...imo they lived a noble sporting life.

i have respect for what she did.

certainly more respect for her then i do Vijay Mallay and now Stroll (i use them as examples as 2 owners more willing to buy their success rather then design it for themselves).

to each their own of course.
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Mate you cannot be suggesting their current predicament is down to Pat Symmonds? No doubt he did upset the long term cruisers there but the current situation is imo down to a single person...
No. I was saying that if it had been a happy, successful and winning relationship, then the contract would have been renewed by both parties. And perhaps things would have been different.

They weren't though, he departed, and we are where we are.

The reasons for the long, drawn-out and painful decline of Williams F1 are many, varied, and different. But they all added up to the end of the last true garagiste team who tried to live by their own standards - laudable, but impossible in this day and age - and ended up dying a death by a thousand cuts.
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To even survive in F1 you need to be a global business, billionaire or investment fund. Williams was the last of the garageistas, running almost a works size team on an ever decreasing independent income.

F1 is a results driven business, when you are funded like Williams and you run out of results, you run out of money. Williams was a team from another age, unwilling to scale down like Haas or RP and become reliant on manufacturer parts, yet unable to scale up to be a factory team.

They were trapped in a no mans land hoping that something would turn up, a better car, better regs, more level playing field, another wealthy but any of these would have been too late.


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