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27 Nov 2024, 08:23 (Ref:4236718) | #1 | ||
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27 Nov 2024, 13:04 (Ref:4236762) | #2 | |
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I can,t get those pages to come as to be readable .
But I think they are about the cars impacting into something and causing injury to the drivers . This is something that came up a long time ago with the death of Dale Earnhardt in Nascar racing .A very extensive study into his accident , [ which led to HANS devices being made compulsory ,] showed that he hit the wall at just 42 MPH . Because the cars were a massive space frame chassis , there was very little of the impact absorbed by the car and the resultant forces were mostly put onto the driver which killed him . Modern ENCAP testing for road vehicles makes them a lot safer in absorbing impacts , but if you put huge roll cages in and brace the whole thing right through the car , it passes a lot more onto the driver . |
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Thanks for putting that up so I could read it .
It is as I thought , that collision impacts put high G force effects onto the drivers . With Dale Earnhardt it caused a Basilar skull fracture . Road cars now have ENCAP ratings , which are based upon how a car crumples up and therefore reduces the G force put onto the driver . But with competition cars , the more they are braced up to make them stronger , the more force is then put onto the driver .So it does need a roll cage for the passenger compartment , but not to much other work done . So the ideal balance will probably be different for each car, so that the front ,[ or rear ,] will crumple up and reduce impact effect . But that will need a lot of working out to get it right . |
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Brazilian Stock Car chassis with front, side and rear crash structures: The Brazilian chassis may still have problems with front and rear offset crashes that bypass the front or rear crash boxes. Offset crash performance has obviously been a big area of development in road cars over the last 10 years or so, with offset crashes being introduced into crash testing requirements. Quote:
The rear chassis rails and their ability to crumple were already eliminated when Project Blueprint switched to COTF. Computer simulation already allows for estimating the way the tubular rear end will crumple, after all -- albeit (allegedly) Gen 3 was not physically crash tested unlike COTF. Last edited by V8 Fireworks; 27 Nov 2024 at 21:18. |
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Take a look at this: https://rescueracer.org/
Research undertaken in conjunction with the BTCC, part funded by TOCA and part funded by the FIA, links to various abstracts are there too. |
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All of the cars I have built / prepared for competition were for rallying , therefore based on production road cars . From the 1960s onwards production cars has crush zones built in , so I realised that some thought had to go into how much strengthening was put into them .
Have not done much reading up on how latest regulations for safety how progressed for race cars , but remember seeing some in the past which looked much too rigid and were likely to pass a lot more impact forces on to the driver . So perhaps some progress has been made there , and possible some more safety design factors are needed . Edit , just seen above link , so will read up on that . |
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The Gen 3 chassis rails also do have collapsible sections front and rear. Entirely different set of design specs to a road car. Need to design a Supercar to handle impact into a wall on Conrod at 290km/h, crumple enough to absorb some energy, but not so much that the driver gets squished. It's an engineering challenge, for sure. |
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1 Dec 2024, 18:19 (Ref:4237301) | #9 | ||
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Re: concussion debate, motorsport is different to ball sports as you you're taking out the ONLY 'player', so the impact on the team is higher than in ball sports where you just substitute in someone else.
Could make for an interesting scenario with teams ensuring they have a stand-by driver on call at each race weekend. One who has actually brought their race gear with them... |
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Motorsport Australia Concussion Protocols
It begs the question as to given the infrequency of heavy g-load crashes, whether all pilots should be subject to concussion protocols after any incident. And if you followed the driver testing line along a logical pathway, any car subject to a high g-level incident according to the same metrics, might do best to be excluded and only achieve inclusion upon full V8Supercar inspection of datum point compliance, and safety of the structure of all homologated superstructures within the vehicle. Maybe some of these seriously hurt cars SHOULD be scratched.. along with their pilots.. |
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