Chevron B19

[allenbrown]

Mark Leonard = Grand Prix Classics for the uninitiated. There is a B19 showing on their "cars sold" page and it has the same basic colour scheme as the Fieber car.

[driftwood]

really Allen !!!
i did send all this info to you from earlier threads - i took off info from what he posted this thread

[Team Gunston]

Back on chassis #70 S 10 :

Gentlemen, remember two things please :

1. Its original rollbar was of the B16 type ! B16 !!!

2. Two B16 coupes were leased by Paul Blancpain to Solar Productions for the Le Mans movie... and Febbraïo bought his car from Blancpain, aka Siffert Automobiles Racing.

Then, there is a possibility... a mere possibility :

One of these B16s was sold to Jean-Pierre Hanrioud when the film was achieved. It's all right. But the second one ?

It seems that the cars of Blancpain were looked after by Franco Sbarro, so it is not impossible that Sbarro converted this second coupe into a spyder, hence the S that could stand either for Spyder, Sbarro or even Suisse...

I don't say it is the truth, I'm just saying you have to reflect about this...

[allenbrown]

You raise an interesting possibility but I'm not sure why it would be on Bennett's list if Sbarro had built it.

Paul Blancpain was also involved with the Dupont B19, the car the Montjuich book calls '20' although the Chevron list says 20 went to Tanaka. Maybe the Dupont car was a converted B16. B16/20 was a Siffert car...

[driftwood]

am i correct in saying the 2 B16 cars where dressed as Lola T70 cars in the film?
i know the Lolas where crashed in the film badly damaged 1 was written off

was it Siffert or Bonnier who had B16 car converted to road spec?

[driftwood]

I have notes for B16 as follows
B16-DBE03 BMW D. Martland Sold to Jo Siffert who sells to Solar productions for fliming LM car races at 1970 LM with cameras- is this car 1 of the 2 heavily crashed during filming?
B16-20 Jo Siffert reputed his road car -Alan Eisner to John Lloyd to Japan 1985 info Brian Taylor
Siffert also had # 27 & 28

[allenbrown]

Tony Bancroft (formerly known as "Spotty Smith") makes his first appearance in the B19-Alpina at Pontypool hillclimb July 1972 (MN 20 Jul 1972 p24)

[AMICALEMANS]

Hello Drifty....

Were you drunk or with a girl when you went to the movie theater to see Steve McQueen in Le Mans ???

Two lolas T70 were used in the movie : one whith a 512 body and the other one with a 917 body. It was just for the two crash scenes...

Where did you heard about a B16 dressed as a T70 ?

Next time, dont kiss the girl ! watch the screen...

[Steve Wilkinson]

Above: Two photos of the George family Chevron B19 taken at Gurston Down in 2002. Richard told me it was an ex-Siffert Racing car that had run in the Martini Trophy at Silverstone.

[driftwood]

Mon Ami !!
I am too young to have been at the cinema to see the film Le Mans when it was new i see only on DVD & maybe drink too much beer
I do not think girls will sit in same room as man watching racing car film she will not get any attention !!

[AMICALEMANS]

Too young In fact, girls love Steve McQueen.... and some of them went to the movie theater for Le Mans !

Anyway, what do you think about my hypothesis (wrote by Team Gunston who is a friend )? Is somebody know about the B16 number 10 ?

On the B16 topic, i found : 10 Works Car (Written off in Germany 1970) !!!!!

[driftwood]

HE HAS SOME VALUE IN HIS INFO AND THEORY I WOULD NOT WANT TO PEE ON HIS BONFIRE
Logically it would be good to trace the crash and previous races of B16-10 to evaluate the concept

i tried to register on autodiva but failed it does not help the instructions are not in english but i was not sure IF the webmaster was keeping out Ros bouef registered email addresses?

[allenbrown]

Just spotted a B19 that I haven't heard of before. Arthur Collier drives one at the September 1972 Phoenix Park libre race. Anyone know which one this would be?

[allenbrown]

Fredy Link had a B19 at the Interlagos 500 kms race in Sep 1972 (MN 21 Sep 1972 p18). Another new one on me. Blancpain/Dupont finished sixth in another B19.

[driftwood]

Collier was racing an Astra or Gropa Martin type sports car in 71
Fredy Link is Austrian-refer to my early posting of misc names races or mail i sent direct to you on that race have no other names/entrants at present
i repost the info here re mail u the list
500 km Interlagos 3.9.1972

6. 33 Paul Blancpain / CH Chevron B19
18. 8 Fredy Link / A Chevron B19 Ford

[allenbrown]

Link was actually Swiss but drove under an Austrian license.

[driftwood]

so its possible
1 he drove a swissy owned car maybe Arthur blancks?
2 he has hired Opert car for south american race
3 rented german owned car but who was doing euro races from Germany?
4 rented Siffert car
5 none of the above
This race in South america had a few Brits going out to race but their cars where on the ship with thefire
Brian Robinson said there where a few cars Hepworth sent his car maybe Dean Howlings RRR?
this event was at same time as cars needed to go to Springbok races
anyway lets opt speculate too much lets deal with facts and these odd ball queries do get answered in time by a chance conversation or foreign reader looking in their local race mag and find the info
a good source willbe the Brazilians but we have none here over on Aerogi site there is a Brazilian by the name of Italiano who has local knowledge/ comics to read

[allenbrown]

Hepworth's and Robinson's cars were on a different ship. Their ship turned round after the fire and came back to Antwerp. The ship with the other cars obviously arrived.

[allenbrown]

Carrying on from post 248, I've moved on a week in B19 history.

Brands Hatch BOAC 1000 kms 16 Apr 1972 (MN 20 Apr 1972 p14-17)

-- Migault/Robinson 'B19/21' - presumably B21-72-4
-- Watson/Fletcher 'B19/21' - presumably Fletcher's "B21-72-1"
J. Gaydon/Gray 'B19'
AJ. Peter Ettmüller/Walter Frey 'B19/21'
AE. May/Humble 'B19'
-- Smith/Welpton 'B19/21'- presumably B21-72-3
H. McInerney/Bamford 'B19' WRA car with 1980cc Alan Smith FVC
O2. Lepp/Burton 'B19' - totalled in practice
DNA Twaites ("damaged at Nurburgring") - B21-72-2
DNA Roger Heavens ("new Chevron")

We have chassis numbers for many of these B19s now but I'm sticking with the letters to help continuity from the earlier posts.

I'm not sure if the Swiss Squadra Tartaruga car for Frey/Ettmüller is a B19 or a B21. It could be the B21-72-12 that goes to Siffert or it could be second hand. I'm putting it in with the B19s for now.

[allenbrown]

Vallelunga - Round 1 23 Apr 1972 (MN 27 Apr 1972 p9)

B21. Red Rose/Tergal: Hine (1.9 Alan Smith FVC)
B21. Red Rose/Tergal: Juncadella
B21. Red Rose/Tergal: Paco Josa (replacing Bosch)
B21. Canon Cameras: Burton (1.9 "Big Smith")
B21. Canon Cameras: Wollek
AE. Humble
B21. Olivar (Funda FVC)
AG. Scuderia Palladio: Serblin

[allenbrown]

Cadwell Park libre race 23 Apr 1972 (MN 27 Apr 1972 p11)

D. Frank Aston (2nd)

Croft NSCC libre 23 Apr 1972 (MN 27 Apr 1972 p26)

O2. Central Garage (Mirfield): Silverwood DNA ("still in bits after Lepp's shunt in BOAC practice")

News: Roger Heavens/Bill Tuckett (Chevron B16/21) are entered for Magny-Cours next Monday

[IANHEB]

Some quotes from A/S 11/11/71 covering the Kyalami 9 hour;
2 entries from the "works" Chevron team, " their once raced B19FVC for Ganley/Driver" and "their season's regular works car fitted with the first of the new full 2 litre Cosworth Vega engines" for Craft/Hailwood.
For Red Rose Racing," a brand new car" for Hine to share with De Klerk.
Given that R.R.R. have their other 2 cars at Jarama the same weekend, does this help at all.

[allenbrown]

Thanks Ian - that helps a lot. Firstly, the reference to Red Rose having a new car strongly suggests that B19-71-26, listed by Chevron as "Red Rose (SA)" was a new car for the Springbok series.

So that means the car I have as 'F' is actually two cars, one (B19-71-7) up to the end of the European season and another (B19-71-26) in the Springbok series.

But then both vanish. Could Red Rose have returned their cars to the factory and had them rebuilt into B21s?

Secondly, the reference to "their season's regular works car" means that the car I have as 'Z' is actually still Craft's 'A' (B19-71-12), last seen at Zandvoort in September.

The other tricky South African subject where I hope you can help are those two works/Gunston cars. One of them stayed in South Africa for Rowe. Did he buy the old B19-71-12 (Vega engine) or the much newer B19-71-27 (FVC engine) that had only raced once at the Nürburgring prior to the South Africa trip? Is Rowe still around?

[driftwood]

Brands Hatch BOAC 1000 kms 16 Apr 1972 (MN 20 Apr 1972 p14-17)this should also be duplicated onto B21 thread

-- Migault/Robinson 'B19/21' - presumably B21-72-4has to be as he did not buy DART/Aston B19 till end of the year
-- Watson/Fletcher 'B19/21' - presumably Fletcher's "B21-72-1"
J. Gaydon/Gray 'B19'71-9
AJ. Peter Ettmüller/Walter Frey 'B19/21'
AE. May/Humble 'B19'-71-34
-- Smith/Welpton 'B19/21'- presumably B21-72-3
H. McInerney/Bamford 'B19' WRA car with 1980cc Alan Smith FVC-71-4
O2. Lepp/Burton 'B19' - totalled in practice
DNA Twaites ("damaged at Nurburgring") - B21-72-2
DNA Roger Heavens ("new Chevron")B21-72-16

We have chassis numbers for many of these B19s now but I'm sticking with the letters to help continuity from the earlier posts.

I'm not sure if the Swiss Squadra Tartaruga car for Frey/Ettmüller is a B19 or a B21. It could be the B21-72-12 that goes to Siffert or it could be second hand. I'm putting it in with the B19s for now.
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Cadwell Park libre race 23 Apr 1972 (MN 27 Apr 1972 p11)

D. Frank Aston (2nd)DART B19# 5 or 6

Croft NSCC libre 23 Apr 1972 (MN 27 Apr 1972 p26)

O2. Central Garage (Mirfield): Silverwood DNA ("still in bits after Lepp's shunt in BOAC practice") b19-71-29

News: Roger Heavens/Bill Tuckett (Chevron B16/21) are entered for Magny-Cours next Mondayhighly likely to be heavens B21#16
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Thanks Ian - that helps a lot. Firstly, the reference to Red Rose having a new car strongly suggests that B19-71-26, listed by Chevron as "Red Rose (SA)" was a new car for the Springbok series.

So that means the car I have as 'F' is actually two cars, one (B19-71-7) up to the end of the European season and another (B19-71-26) in the Springbok series.

But then both vanish. Could Red Rose have returned their cars to the factory and had them rebuilt into B21s?RRR have B21# 7 & 8 why sell a B19 when all you need to do is buy new chassi body and swap over the parts ( sell off B19 parts to another car owner? ) and also have B21-71-19 and 29 i would suspect another upgrade car so 2 cars die and 2 more born at same time

Secondly, the reference to "their season's regular works car" means that the car I have as 'Z' is actually still Craft's 'A' (B19-71-12), last seen at Zandvoort in September.

The other tricky South African subject where I hope you can help are those two works/Gunston cars. One of them stayed in South Africa for Rowe. Did he buy the old B19-71-12 (Vega engine) or the much newer B19-71-27 (FVC engine) that had only raced once at the Nürburgring prior to the South Africa trip? Is Rowe still around?dont forget ZA John Abrahams has B19-71-30

[IANHEB]

John Rowe has confirmed today that he bought the ex vega engined car from the team, without the engine and gearbox.He fitted an FT200 and Lotus twincam, then an FVA/C then a BD.The car was sold into Botswana about 3 years later and almost immediatly again to Fred Goddard in Bulawayo.Stirling Moss bought this car, a guess would be in the mid 80's

The Abrahams car, n.o.30,was returned back to the UK straight after the last race of the Springbok series January 1972.Abrahams was friendly with Derek? Worthington who was associated with Lola, and wanted to change the Chevron for a Lola.

I agree it would make sense for RRR to upgrade their 2 remaining cars to B21 spec in early '72, they were almost brand new.However the Bridges car is still refffered to by A/S as a B19 well into the season, only later being mentioned as a B19/21 and then a B21.Bear in mind it already had the '72 spec chassis.

Ian