Chevron B19

[driftwood]

redman is a dealer has had a few cars over the last 20 odd years i dont think he owns any cars

[p261brm]

Originally Posted by driftwood

redman is a dealer has had a few cars over the last 20 odd years i dont think he owns any cars

And very qualified to be one, after all in a Chevron very very few could better him.

[allenbrown]

Here's Redman driving a B19 at Donington in July 1990. Curiously, the colour scheme is the same as Stross's.


(Copyright Norbert Vogel 2009. Used with permission.)

[Alan Brown]

If the Bancroft/Scragg/MacDowel/Garnett car ended up in the 1980s with Richard Thwaites it would not be his first drive in it. At Great Auclum 5 August 1972 he shared the car with Tony Bancroft when his own McLaren M10B was unavailable. He was third in class with the owner second.

[allenbrown]

In the foreword to Gordon's 1990 Chevron book, Redman says he has been drivig a B19 in historics since 1982. Another suggestion that he kept the ex-Phillips/Stross/New Mexico/Smith car.

George Hurd has owned a B19 for many years and Redman drives it for him. It's possible that ownership goes right back to 1982. Is anyone in a position to find out?

[Jeremy Hall]

I'll drop Brian an e mail Allen

[driftwood]

posting this here and on B21 a sits relevent both places
1972 autopsort reading

AS advert
June 8 Geoff Richardson advertises 72 B19-30 only 6 races £5250 this is the Abrahams car from ZA
June 27 Martini International race Silverstone Autosport report said
John Hine races his normal B21 (#19)Vega motor after he had used the previous week
the Niki Bosch car at Dijon and hit a backmarker
and Niki Bosche is in a B21 1800 Richardson powered car
Richard Scott in another new B21 enetered by Geoff Richardson ( this is actually B19-30 see below before you start arguing with me)
New B21 entered by Hire Racing for Peter Hanson ( which car is this??)

In practise John Hine has puncture & huge shunt and car catches fire and burns for a long time until there was not much is left of it
Amazingly this car is never seen again yet like the phoenix it rise from the ashes 35 years later!

June 25 Geoff Richardson advert B19 FVC a sraced by Richard Scott at Martini international £5250= this is B19#30 car
July 6 Cranberry Lodge Garage advertises with photos B19 and ex Tommy Reid championship winning Brabham BT30 roller

[p261brm]

Originally Posted by driftwood

redman is a dealer has had a few cars over the last 20 odd years i dont think he owns any cars

Absolutely spot on drifty as far as owning any B19's anyway, an that is from the said horses mouth.

[allenbrown]

Originally Posted by driftwood

In practise John Hine has puncture & huge shunt and car catches fire and burns for a long time until there was not much is left of it
Amazingly this car is never seen again yet like the phoenix it rise from the ashes 35 years later!

At least one owner in the last few days has refused to get involved in this debate and it's comments this one that drove him away. Yes, B21-19 was burnt out at Silverstone but the replacement car wore the same chassis plate. So if there's a car around today claiming to be B21-19, that entirely possible.

We must stop leaping to conclusions about cars. Do you have any evidence that "this car" has been built recently?

[driftwood]

July 13 Villa Real race peter hanson in Roger Hires gleaming new orange B21 with unused 1800 Smith FVC bought from Phill Scragg
Hansons car is described as built up form B16 spare parts fitted to new body chassis suspension so what B16 are thes be B21-27 Scragg car on loan)

July 20 Pontypool hillclimb
Tony Bancroft debuts his recently purchased B19 Alpina car a cancelled order that was to be raced on the european mountain events
He has also stopped using his Spotty Smith name as it is now in the "open" that he is racing cars
July 27 advert Cranberry Lodge adevrt again B19 and BT30

Aug 3 Harewood hillclimb Robert Sunderland has his first run in the B19 alpine he has just acquired with Tony Bancroft
snippet
Jody sheckter who drove the ed swart B19 at Springbok series in 71 is invited to drive the Red Rose Racing B21 at Enna

[driftwood]

allen you shoukld know better than to make that kind of statement
what do u want signed affadavits? or just the bare facts as they are well known!!!
please ask owner to provide bill of sale from John Bridges in 1972 selling the wreck or was it sold 25 or so more years later

[allenbrown]

Originally Posted by driftwood

allen you shoukld know better than to make that kind of statement
what do u want signed affadavits? or just the bare facts as they are well known!!!
please ask owner to provide bill of sale from John Bridges in 1972 selling the wreck or was it sold 25 or so more years later

That's the whole point Drifty - I DO ask owners for bills of sale or equivalent documentation. I engage owners in conversation and have reasoned, dispassionate and objective conversations with them about their cars. Bare facts are fine but comments like "Amazingly this car is never seen again yet like the phoenix it rise from the ashes 35 years later!" doesn't get anyone anywhere.

[driftwood]

Thats upto you but there is point where you dont need to ask too many questions to hear the distant tone of eer umm before the cocknbull flows
after all it aint rocket science and its well written in the comics one does not need to stand too long thinking about things so move on get over it next subject please

[chrisks]

It's not only the B19 that has this problem.

[chrisks]

?? too shy to dig a little deeper??

[allenbrown]

I have just about finished a first draft of my Chevron B19 page. The page is now rather large - its scale is probably indicated by the fact that it contains 87 photographs of B19s, from the very start of 1971 right through to 2008. However, it is just a first draft and much more will follow.

I am keen to get the facts right and not to embarrass anyone by accidentally recycling gossip. So I want to give all interested parties a chance to comment first.

Please email me at allen@oldracingcars.com if you'd like a preview.

Allen

[driftwood]

who or what is " the too shy to dig deeper" aimed at?

[chrisks]

You have all trailed the B19 in depth so how about the B8?

[allenbrown]

They have roofs. I don't do roofs.

Anyway, somebody else has been researching B8s for years and I'm happy to leave him to it.

[John Turner]

You mean Marcus Pye? I've been trying to get him to release some of this B8 info to me for 3 years or so. He said something about it being buried in a box in his garage, or something!

Shame on you for not doing roofs; presumably you will now delete all the special saloon stuff that you have been building on yoursite!

[driftwood]

I wonder if Allen drives around in a convertible car in the winter
B6 8 cars need own thread i believe over 100 built?
some made into Gropas then turned back into B8 cars1 or 2 have been written off and yet still exist today
perhaps we need to get B16 B19 cars sorted first before another thread is started

[p261brm]

Originally Posted by driftwood

I wonder if Allen drives around in a convertible car in the winter
B6 8 cars need own thread i believe over 100 built?
some made into Gropas then turned back into B8 cars1 or 2 have been written off and yet still exist today
perhaps we need to get B16 B19 cars sorted first before another thread is started

We are the Champions, no matter what Brown {Downing Street) throws at us, B16's,19's et al take pride of place.

[Delbert]

Allen
Thought I would send you this email I received from James Bell via this route too:

I have just come across the Chevron site and was particularly pleased to see that my old car (above) is registered. If the current owner of the car wants a bit more history then I can fill him in.
I bought the car following the end of year finals in October 1972 at Silverstone where if I can remember correctly the car won in John Lepp's hands. The car was actually owned by 2 London architect brothers called John and Leslie Gray.
In 1973, I raced the car with my long time racing partner Ian Harrower : we competed at the Nurburgring at the Interserie round in March and the 1000 km in May, the Monza 1000km and the Spa 1000km , Ian also raced the car at Villa Real and Estoril in Portugal
after we hadcome back from Angola where we raced the car at Luanda (2hours-4th),Nova Lisboa (6hours 2nd), Benguela (3hours-dsq).
In 1974 Ian raced the car at the major European 1000km races (2nd in class in Austria)
with amongst other co-drivers Ian Bracey and Richard Jones. The car again went to Angola
that year and again was reasonably successful.
In early 1975, I sold the car to Jonathan Buncombe who used the chassis as the basis for the infamous 'Chimp'.
I hope the above has been of use to you but if you want any more information please don't
hesitate to get in touch. Phone number ************

Any idea of the whereabouts of Trevor Twaites or Peter Humble.

Kind regards,

James Bell

[driftwood]

Messrs Twaite and Humble are a live and do speak to 1 of our top secret contributors here

[driftwood]

well Allen you have had your Chimp question fully answered
you cannot beat the cars previous owners for giving information to confirm what has already been said
Last night i had some B21-3 info confirmed that i willpost on b21 thread