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Old 12 Jun 2013, 14:30 (Ref:3261580)   #1726
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Maybe it is an R18 mule being used to test the drivetrain and is not the full porsche chassis yet?
I know your only speculating and such, but to think Audi would give them anything to do with there car is a bit silly, they may be sister companies or what not but I don't think they would share a chassis... Could be wrong tho..
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Old 12 Jun 2013, 14:31 (Ref:3261581)   #1727
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Old 12 Jun 2013, 14:50 (Ref:3261587)   #1728
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Any guess to what numbers they will use? 20, 21, and 22 I hope?
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Old 12 Jun 2013, 14:53 (Ref:3261588)   #1729
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So far I like what I see. I am still surprised that people expected something radically different?

I am looking forward to more information in the future.

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I don't understand the point of that camouflage.
I agree. "IF" they used a repeating pattern over the entire car, I think someone could actually (programmatically), generate a relatively accurate 3D model of the car. While it makes it hard for casual viewers to see the details, it is about one step away from putting a simple X/Y grid all over the body. Now, maybe they are smart and the camouflage does not use a repeating pattern!

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Old 12 Jun 2013, 15:39 (Ref:3261599)   #1730
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The Sauber C9 of 1987

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=sa...F%3B1024%3B768

not that much has changed in 26 years!

Still glad to see Porsche back though.
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Old 12 Jun 2013, 15:45 (Ref:3261602)   #1731
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Looks a little like they style the R18 and an Aston Martin nose, but it looks pretty good even in camo
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Old 12 Jun 2013, 16:12 (Ref:3261620)   #1732
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Any guess to what numbers they will use? 20, 21, and 22 I hope?
Maybe 1,2,3 for Audi
4,5,6 for Porsche
and 7,8,9 for Toyota.
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Old 12 Jun 2013, 16:12 (Ref:3261622)   #1733
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After thinking about it... and I even said this on one of the FB pics (not sure whos site) the front crash structure could be very R18 like due to the housing of hybrid FWD components. Being VWAG, I would assume they will use the same hybrid system.

Will the R18 be able to run next year? Or do they need a new car?
Audi will have an all new car for 2014 as well, although they haven't commented on what it will look like. There was earlier talk about the VAG cars using different technologies, but it is safe to say both will be hybrids.
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Old 12 Jun 2013, 16:17 (Ref:3261625)   #1734
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Old 12 Jun 2013, 16:31 (Ref:3261627)   #1735
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Full width rear wing with swan neck mount off the BHF, endplates appear to be outboard support..interesting. Nose screams Audi, roofline appears to have some sort of exhaust port at top on roof. Rectangle duct is different...

Can't wait for a full side shot, and further analysis.
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Old 12 Jun 2013, 16:47 (Ref:3261631)   #1736
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First thoughts were of an Audi in drag. That front end is a mix of Audi, Aston Martin and Toyota. I'm confused.
Must say I like the Dome solution for the BHH on the sides of the fenders better. But not bad. Here is to hoping the run it with a Martini livery.
And If squint real hard I see a little 956 .

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Old 12 Jun 2013, 16:57 (Ref:3261636)   #1737
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That's the car will bring the 17th overall victory in Porsche hands. Looks great, and it runs great too: it's a Porsche LMP1, it cannot be differently.
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Old 12 Jun 2013, 17:00 (Ref:3261637)   #1738
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That's the car will bring the 17th overall victory in Porsche hands. Looks great, and it runs great too: it's a Porsche LMP1, it cannot be differently.
With all due respect to other past runners, I don't think Porsche ever faced anything of Audi's magnitude. We'll see if it will be able to break Audi's streak.
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Old 12 Jun 2013, 17:04 (Ref:3261638)   #1739
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With all due respect to other past runners, I don't think Porsche ever faced anything of Audi's magnitude. We'll see if it will be able to break Audi's streak.
Erm... TWR Jaguar? Okay, they didn't win the umpteen times that Audi did over the last few years, but they had a team that was just about as strong.
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Old 12 Jun 2013, 17:07 (Ref:3261642)   #1740
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They didn't have a huge financial background and an inherently more suited engine for endurance racing. If other manufacturers do not force ACO's/FIA hand and either BoP diesels into submission or ban them alltogether, I think Audi will remain the team to beat(as long as they're competing).
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With all due respect to other past runners, I don't think Porsche ever faced anything of Audi's magnitude. We'll see if it will be able to break Audi's streak.
Who knows, it's difficult to quantify such a statement. Audi have largely been competing against themselves for best part of a decade and we've only been able to judge them against one opponent at a time. Maybe Peugeot and Audi were equally bad, and a third manufacturer could have come along and blitzed them both!

There's no doubting that Audi are a tough competitor, but Porsche have faced the very best that the late 90s GT1, late 80s Group C and the 1970s eras could throw at them and come out on top.

Of course, that's not relevant to previous efforts - it's not like they share any personnel from the 917 days. But the current Porsche company understands its history, and will ensure it doesn't rest on its laurels.

IMO, they'll have a better understanding and grasp of it all than Toyota who, in my opinion, just aren't taking this seriously enough as a company.
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I think we must all draw breath here, we do have a record for expecting new cars to be fully developed and touch down on the track sorted, perhaps this time we should be a little more forgiving than we have been with Toyota
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I don't think it's necessary to BoP Audi into submission, but, definitely needs to be further balanced to petrol powered cars. The duration of the LM24 will show how well it's worked. I think Toyota is fast enough to push Audi to not allow them to sandbag.
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Since they are ahead of schedule, wonder if there is any way that they would race it at PLM as a warmup and super-testing opportunity? Or, are they really going to wait for Le Mans 2014 for the first entry?

Can a car in 2014 specs race this year?

I know it is wishful thinking but it would be pretty exciting. Perfect bookends for the Petit Le Mans history... Porsche 911 GT1-98 in the first one and the Porsche LM-20 in the last PLM. (I know, we don't know the designation but thought that sounded good).
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I know your only speculating and such, but to think Audi would give them anything to do with there car is a bit silly, they may be sister companies or what not but I don't think they would share a chassis... Could be wrong tho..
To think that there will be no resource sharing and that every single thing will be autonomous is also silly
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Since they are ahead of schedule, wonder if there is any way that they would race it at PLM as a warmup and super-testing opportunity? Or, are they really going to wait for Le Mans 2014 for the first entry?

Can a car in 2014 specs race this year?
No, no and no, the engine is probably illegal for this year, and they won't debut the car at Le Mans next year, they'll debut it for the first WEC round earlier in the year.
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I think we must all draw breath here, we do have a record for expecting new cars to be fully developed and touch down on the track sorted, perhaps this time we should be a little more forgiving than we have been with Toyota
I think whether Porsche like it or not there are a set of expectations that come with them making their return to the race.

Their PR is a celebration of their past success at the race so for them to come in and spend a year meekly finding their feet would be a disappointment - choose how.
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Their PR is a celebration of their past success at the race so for them to come in and spend a year meekly finding their feet would be a disappointment - choose how.
The simple fact that their car is already running a full year before its first Le Mans outing shows that they'll definitely be coming out all guns blazing next year.

Another reason why they definitely won't race it this year (even if it might be allowed unclassified somewhere): the BoP culture doesn't make it advantageous to show your hand this early, getting the car on track at Petit just gives everyone else a few extra months to snoop around the car and outclass it in areas they'll be trying to hide.
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If the RS Spyder experience is a precedent for things to come, I feel there will be some growing pains, no matter what the expectations are. Especially considering that Porsche will be up against their biggest, badest opposition ever (no insult meant to Jaguar or Lancia/Ferrari).

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No, no and no, the engine is probably illegal for this year, and they won't debut the car at Le Mans next year, they'll debut it for the first WEC round earlier in the year.
The Delta Wing wasn't legal to any ALMS or ACO class last year either... somehow it ran at PLM.

If Porsche made the offer to run at PLM, the ALMS would accept the entry gladly.
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