Nurburgring 24 hours - Page 2

E46 · 15 Apr 2009, 09:13 (Ref:2441138)

www.sportmotores.es reports Carlos Sainz is likely to repeat with Volkswagen Motorsport this year. He will test at Scirocco wheel during the coming weekend in VLN.

Dead-Eye · 15 Apr 2009, 12:46 (Ref:2441326)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spyderman

Manthey has no need to sandbag, as they have a choice of running both the GT3 Cup and the RSR. It's just a question of which one is quicker around the circuit.

One of the drivers of the DTM Astra said the Manthey RSR was literally waiting for him. I see no reason to doubt him.

And your argument isn't logical. If the RSR shows that it's quicker than a GT3 now, it will receive a restrictor cut. Better to run with the Cup cars now and go all out at the 24h, having an advantage over the others.

Félix · 15 Apr 2009, 14:53 (Ref:2441424)

Monza FIA GT2 and GT3 trap speeds probably show that the GT3s are faster there... Nordshleife straights are damn long too

And outside of the always-unreliable Alzen Alien, the best cars lately have been generic Porsches sooped-up to win overall. Well they want the generic GT2 RSR Porsche to be replaced by the GT3 variety... and to be joined by the dozen of GT3 racers that are just as fast!

Spyderman · 15 Apr 2009, 15:00 (Ref:2441428)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dead-Eye

One of the drivers of the DTM Astra said the Manthey RSR was literally waiting for him. I see no reason to doubt him.

And your argument isn't logical. If the RSR shows that it's quicker than a GT3 now, it will receive a restrictor cut. Better to run with the Cup cars now and go all out at the 24h, having an advantage over the others.

No, they have just changed the rules on April 1st. They are not going to further restrict the RSR before the 24h race.
Manthey has already won the first round of VLN in the RSR.
Again - the RSR is quicker around the track; but it lacks on top speed in relation to the Cup S

Dead-Eye · 15 Apr 2009, 16:01 (Ref:2441494)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spyderman

No, they have just changed the rules on April 1st. They are not going to further restrict the RSR before the 24h race.

What leads you to believe that? The April 1st bulletin only deals with restrictors in so far as cars with "close to stock" engines (which the RSR isn't) don't have to use them.

Quote:

Manthey has already won the first round of VLN in the RSR.

With about a minute lead over the Mamerow Cup S (whose fastest lap was a second faster than Manthey's). I'm sure they will go faster when they need to.

Spyderman · 15 Apr 2009, 19:53 (Ref:2441702)

It depends how you interpret "close to stock".
The RSR uses the same block as the the road going RS.
Obviously the capacity has been increased to 4.0L

Dead-Eye · 15 Apr 2009, 20:28 (Ref:2441725)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spyderman

It depends how you interpret "close to stock".
The RSR uses the same block as the the road going RS.
Obviously the capacity has been increased to 4.0L

Stock intake, stock exhaust manifold, stock throttle valve.
I don't know exactly how this applies to the RSR, but they certainly wouldn't exempt that from the restrictor rules after having written them to stop the RSRs dominance. If that car can ran without a restrictor they might as well mail Manthey the trophy now.

Spyderman · 16 Apr 2009, 07:11 (Ref:2441953)

Its not just about restricting the RSR, its also about "not" restricting certain GT3 cars.
This is what Olaf Manthey had to say about the April 1st rule change:
"“On Wednesday, April 1st, they gave out a new regulations bulletin which allowed GT3 cars without a Balance of Performance test to still take part in the GT3 Class on the Nordschleife. When I first read this I thought it was an April fool’s joke, but apparently it wasn’t. "

Dead-Eye · 16 Apr 2009, 18:26 (Ref:2442458)

I don't think that will apply to many cars though - it only refers to older models that aren't used internationally anymore, and they'll use the spec from the last balance of performance that was done.

Manthey is very good at what he does, but he also loves to complain.

In other news, the Land RSR was destroyed yesterday in an attempt to beat the Nordschleife record. Not sure if they can rebuild it before the race - they probably don't have that big a budget anymore now that Bilstein has pulled out.

Dead-Eye · 16 Apr 2009, 19:00 (Ref:2442479)

Onboard from the crash: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOQ_6TM_3Ac&fmt=18

b555 · 16 Apr 2009, 19:14 (Ref:2442485)

He guys,it manthey racing with the RSR or the Cup S?

airbusA346 · 16 Apr 2009, 19:51 (Ref:2442515)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dead-Eye

Onboard from the crash: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOQ_6TM_3Ac&fmt=18

Is there any photos of the car after the crash?

Tom.

RJC_pt · 16 Apr 2009, 20:57 (Ref:2442549)

here you go

Dead-Eye · 16 Apr 2009, 20:58 (Ref:2442550)

Could only find one: http://img162.imageshack.us/img162/2...eundnordsc.jpg
Someone who apparently saw the car said it's worse than the pic suggests.

rich07 · 17 Apr 2009, 02:33 (Ref:2442688)

WOW!! That is one secondhand RSR. I see a 7:03 was done the lap before but what were they ultimately aiming for as far as lap times are concerned?

Hope the driver was okay, I see him get out of the car, anyone know how he fared??

broadrun96 · 17 Apr 2009, 03:05 (Ref:2442697)

Do they VLN RSRs run a different wing than ACO/ALMS cars? Pic seems to be a different style of support and higher than the ALMS cars or is it just the post wreck angle?

rich07 · 17 Apr 2009, 03:23 (Ref:2442702)

I'm pretty sure they do, the VLN run to their own rules so I don't think the wings have to be ACO legal.

Dead-Eye · 17 Apr 2009, 09:33 (Ref:2442875)

Quote:

Originally Posted by rich07

WOW!! That is one secondhand RSR. I see a 7:03 was done the lap before but what were they ultimately aiming for as far as lap times are concerned?

Hope the driver was okay, I see him get out of the car, anyone know how he fared??

They wanted to go below 7 minutes. The driver has a concussion and heavy bruises...could have been worse.
The car is going to be rebuilt for the 24h, but might not be ready for any VLN races before that.

Satorian · 17 Apr 2009, 15:13 (Ref:2443108)

That crash sucks. I like the team a lot.

Good thing though that Toto Wolff is well enough and has not suffered injuries heavier than he has.

Acid09 · 17 Apr 2009, 16:41 (Ref:2443156)

Glad he is alright, the crash shouldn't put the team in serious trouble though since Mr. Wolff does have a very deep pocket.

cmk · 17 Apr 2009, 17:07 (Ref:2443167)

Land sure has experience with rebuilding their Porsches after classic big ones on the Nordschleife. Remember when Basseng (or was it Lieb?) rolled the 996 RSR, replete with fantastic onboard footage of the incident?

Acid09 · 21 Apr 2009, 23:09 (Ref:2446647)

Audi has confirmed their four R8 LMS entries for this years race:

Audi R8 LMS #97 (Abt Sportsline)
Christian Abt (D)
Jean-François Hemroulle (B)
Pierre Kaffer (D)
Lucas Luhr (D)

Audi R8 LMS #98 (Phoenix Racing)
Marc Basseng (D)
Frank Stippler (D)
Mike Rockenfeller (D)

Audi R8 LMS #99 (Phoenix Racing)
Frank Biela (D)
Marcel Fässler (CH)
Emanuele Pirro (I)
Hans-Joachim Stuck (A)

Audi R8 LMS #100 (Abt Sportsline)
Mattias Ekström (S)
Timo Scheider (D)
Marco Werner (D)

Four works-backed cars, combined with the new, extremely GT3-friendly regs.... this will be a complete Audi show.

Mind you, all of this is of course completely coicidencial to the fact that Audi is a long-time sponsor of the 24h race.....

**skycafe** · 21 Apr 2009, 23:33 (Ref:2446658)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Acid09

Audi has confirmed their four R8 LMS entries for this years race:

Audi R8 LMS #97 (Abt Sportsline)
Christian Abt (D)
Jean-François Hemroulle (B)
Pierre Kaffer (D)
Lucas Luhr (D)

Audi R8 LMS #98 (Phoenix Racing)
Marc Basseng (D)
Frank Stippler (D)
Mike Rockenfeller (D)

Audi R8 LMS #99 (Phoenix Racing)
Frank Biela (D)
Marcel Fässler (CH)
Emanuele Pirro (I)
Hans-Joachim Stuck (A)

Audi R8 LMS #100 (Abt Sportsline)
Mattias Ekström (S)
Timo Scheider (D)
Marco Werner (D)

Four works-backed cars, combined with the new, extremely GT3-friendly regs.... this will be a complete Audi show.

Mind you, all of this is of course completely coicidencial to the fact that Audi is a long-time sponsor of the 24h race.....

Wow, now that is some list!

rich07 · 21 Apr 2009, 23:37 (Ref:2446660)

Wow!! Audi are really going all out and I think its great, shame BMW does not seem fit to do the same with the M3 GT2...........

**FIRE** · 22 Apr 2009, 09:01 (Ref:2446838)

Wow! Very strong lineup.
Audi is very serious about this.

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