BTCC The 2012 Season Finale, Brands Hatch GP, Oct 20/21 - Page 3

cos · 22 Oct 2012, 00:58 (Ref:3155650)

My few thoughts:

Well done Flash. Consistently the best driver throughout the year.
Neate just got a wheel off the kerb in race 2. Unfortunately it caused 3 other cars to crash but you can't demand a ban just for that.
Now he's champion (and been in the series for 7 years) can everyone please learn that there's no "o" in Shedden?
Brands GP isn't great for BTCC is it. Although the BARC Renault and Clio races were quite good.

BillWiskins · 22 Oct 2012, 01:06 (Ref:3155652)

Yeah, sorry, but I don't see how he was 'out of control'. He was 'in control' enough to bring it round and back off of the wet grass, but loses it back on the tarmac? Either way that was a disastrous piece of 'driving'. [edit: that wasn't directed at you, cos. Just a general thought. You posted while I was typing

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That (and the appalling weather) aside, this was a great day out, and I only slipped over on the mud once! Well deserved congratulations to Mr Shedden, too.

Sodemo · 22 Oct 2012, 07:47 (Ref:3155747)

Yep, he was in control, the car was going forwards and he wasn't spinning or out of shape at all. Maybe if he had not been flooring the throttle, he wouldn't have lost control when he rejoined. Perhaps I need to remind the stewards (and Neate) that its the car re-joining the track that has to give way to cars still on it. You can't just floor the throttle and rejoin at will.

steve_r · 22 Oct 2012, 08:17 (Ref:3155757)

I'm delighted.

Sheddon deserved the title. He has been quick all season. He has driven very cleanly. Unlike the other two title protagonists. Brilliant for him.

It was also great to see two new race winners in Smith and Wrathall. I'm particularly pleased for Wrathall, becuase they were one of the very first teams to have the balls to go down the NGTC route, and after developing the car from a troublesome off-the-pace monster into a race winning car over the course of two seasons, they thoroughly deserve their time in the limelight.

It's a shame to see Neate causing so much damage. Most the rest of the weekend, the driving standards were much better.

Craner Curves · 22 Oct 2012, 09:54 (Ref:3155801)

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Originally Posted by cos

[*]Now he's champion (and been in the series for 7 years) can everyone please learn that there's no "o" in Shedden?

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Originally Posted by steve_r

Sheddon

Icebaby · 22 Oct 2012, 15:56 (Ref:3155926)

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Originally Posted by Sodemo

Yep, he was in control, the car was going forwards and he wasn't spinning or out of shape at all. Maybe if he had not been flooring the throttle, he wouldn't have lost control when he rejoined. Perhaps I need to remind the stewards (and Neate) that its the car re-joining the track that has to give way to cars still on it. You can't just floor the throttle and rejoin at will.

A very good summary, I have heard the speedworks car is a right off and substantial damage on the Civic, really feel for this drivers who are running on such a shoestring budget.

Sodemo · 22 Oct 2012, 16:30 (Ref:3155934)

Whats the deal regarding the catch fencing around the GP loop section? Is it as high as the Indy track?

I seem to recall when I last walked around that loop in around 1998 - 1999 there was little to no catch fencing at all, just a waist-high "cattle field" style fence with a few wires horizontally placed...

Are there any sections of the Indy track now with low(er) fencing?

redshoes · 22 Oct 2012, 17:05 (Ref:3155949)

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Originally Posted by Sodemo

Are there any sections of the Indy track now with low(er) fencing?

Infield at the Druids apex down towards Graham Hill.

Small section after the vehicle bridge towards Clearways where the GP loop rejoins the Indy circuit.

KA · 22 Oct 2012, 19:30 (Ref:3156009)

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Originally Posted by Sodemo

Whats the deal regarding the catch fencing around the GP loop section? Is it as high as the Indy track?

I seem to recall when I last walked around that loop in around 1998 - 1999 there was little to no catch fencing at all, just a waist-high "cattle field" style fence with a few wires horizontally placed...

Are there any sections of the Indy track now with low(er) fencing?

I haven't been out on the GP loop for a good couple of years, but I guess the catch fencing went in after the big Seat Leon shunt in 2010- there was still certainly a fair bit of waist-height fence at the time

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nsca3UqysrI

Greem · 22 Oct 2012, 19:38 (Ref:3156015)

Last time I went out on the GP circuit in 2011 it was still mostly low wire barrier fence rather than 9 foot debris fence. AFAIK it was the DTM & FIA that mandated higher stuff on bits of the Indy circuit.

Sodemo · 22 Oct 2012, 20:00 (Ref:3156027)

Yep, the fences were certainly a lot lower back in 1999 when I took my camcorder to the BTCC, as this video will show...

I take it there is now catch fencing on the inside of Druids on the approach?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z19TDXGmPsk

Craner Curves · 22 Oct 2012, 22:24 (Ref:3156102)

Wow. Induction noise.

None of this fart in a tin can turbo nonsense.

yesnomaybe · 22 Oct 2012, 22:41 (Ref:3156116)

gp loop has practically no tall fences, only one i can think off is on the exit/inside of hawthorns which isn't a prime spot for photography anyways

these pics were taken with an old camera from the spectator areas
http://www.flickr.com/photos/coletri...7631830026256/

very pleased for Shedden, very worthy champion

tux · 23 Oct 2012, 00:45 (Ref:3156162)

Sadly, Adam Morgan has said hes going to struggle to fund next season now. Someone from Pirtek was arrested last night and Chris James is back to his Twitter fun via the teams official account https://twitter.com/TeamESRacing

W.A Trichlorostyrene · 23 Oct 2012, 08:45 (Ref:3156331)

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Originally Posted by tux

Sadly, Adam Morgan has said hes going to struggle to fund next season now.

He's had a very tough year, to be honest. Some decent midfield pace, but I've rarely seen a driver attracted to trouble so much. None of his incidents were as blatent or spectacular as the ones caused by the likes of James or Neate, so he pretty much managed to fly off the critics' radar all season long. However, any time he got anywhere near the front, it seemed to be just a matter of time until he went off or hit something. "Lowlight" being probably going off from the race 3 lead at Rockingham, only several corners after the start.

Granted, he was often the victim, too. Midfield is a dangerous place to be in the BTCC. "Lowlights" being his very first race - knocked in the tyre barrier at Brands Indy race 1 start - and his last - Brands GP race 2, where he was forced into the grass at turn 2 pile-up, then taken out by a careless Andy Neate several laps later.

In the end, a 19th place overall. He only beats Chris James among the drivers who raced the whole season. Even Olie Jackson beats him in the underpowered Golf, after missing Knockhill. Same for Tony Gilham, although his second season half was basically a write off. And to be honest, Adam can be happy that the bizarre new point system reward full season entries so much. With the 2011 system, he would have scored 7 points, while Paul O'Neil would have scored 18, in only 2 outings in the sister car.

Sodemo · 23 Oct 2012, 13:18 (Ref:3156486)

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Originally Posted by Craner Curves

Wow. Induction noise.

None of this fart in a tin can turbo nonsense.

Believe it or not, that was the sole aim of taking the video, I wanted to stand in places where I could capture the growling induction noise of the cars, hence most of the shots are facing the front of the cars.

Craner Curves · 24 Oct 2012, 18:03 (Ref:3157112)

Hmm....Andy Neate, Brands Hatch GP circuit. Unsafe rejoin?! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1t9oBfl6lo

Sodemo · 24 Oct 2012, 23:03 (Ref:3157247)

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Originally Posted by Craner Curves

Hmm....Andy Neate, Brands Hatch GP circuit. Unsafe rejoin?! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1t9oBfl6lo

I'm astounded at the lack of situational awareness.

**BertMk2** · 25 Oct 2012, 09:39 (Ref:3157375)

Given Neates history you'd expect him to be one of the most considerate drivers regarding rejoing and avoiding contact generally - apparently though he believes lightning won't strike twice and doesn't give two hoots about the other drivers.

BillWiskins · 25 Oct 2012, 14:14 (Ref:3157492)

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Originally Posted by BertMk2

Given Neates history you'd expect him to be one of the most considerate drivers regarding rejoing and avoiding contact generally - apparently though he believes lightning won't strike twice and doesn't give two hoots about the other drivers.

That.
I've seen people kicked from online simracing for less. Oh well, I suppose the final decision has been made now.

simmo151 · 25 Oct 2012, 23:20 (Ref:3157730)

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Originally Posted by tux

Sadly, Adam Morgan has said hes going to struggle to fund next season now. Someone from Pirtek was arrested last night and Chris James is back to his Twitter fun via the teams official account https://twitter.com/TeamESRacing

anyone know why?

Sodemo · 26 Oct 2012, 07:45 (Ref:3157847)

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anyone know why?

It could be the fact that his car was written off in the Brands GP event.

simmo151 · 28 Oct 2012, 20:43 (Ref:3159184)

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Originally Posted by Sodemo

It could be the fact that his car was written off in the Brands GP event.

Oh meant the thing about Pirtek and the police.. my bad!

**BertMk2** · 29 Oct 2012, 09:14 (Ref:3159407)

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Originally Posted by simmo151

Oh meant the thing about Pirtek and the police.. my bad!

Someone probably had a couple of shandies too many.

Spanner monkey · 30 Oct 2012, 19:49 (Ref:3160273)

I was told it they were called due to a domestic between a bloke & his miss's and that their were no arrests after his friends carried him of to his r

oom to drunk to walk

!

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