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Old 10 Mar 2007, 22:36 (Ref:1863371)   #1
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LMP Coupes

But is there customer interest in a Coupe - Epsilon don't seem to have one despite a really clever design. I imagine a coupe has a significantly higher price tag...

see the last story here - on another LMP Coupe (LMPC?)
http://www.mulsannescorner.com/newsfeb07.html


Anyway heres a thread about the pros and cons of LMP coupes - the ones we know about

Lola - likely to appear later this year - DSC know the most about it at the mo
Peugeot 908 - first race at Monza
Epsilon EE LMP - needs more money I suspect design very advanced
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Old 11 Mar 2007, 03:25 (Ref:1863466)   #2
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I imagine a coupe has a significantly higher price tag...
Not a bet I'd take... unless I was on the other side.
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Old 11 Mar 2007, 04:29 (Ref:1863473)   #3
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I've brought this up before, but Bill Riley reckons a closed top car adds between 50 and 100,000 to the car's price. I never asked if that is to each car out the door or to total design/development price.
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Old 11 Mar 2007, 04:32 (Ref:1863475)   #4
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From what I can see in the picture, that Epsilon bears a somewhat striking resemblance to the TS020 Toyota GTOne of 99, barring a few minor differences. We all know how fast that thing was if it hadn't faced the problems it did. My only concern with trying to maximize centre of gravity always turns to accessibility. You run into problems you could fix in a matter of mins during an enduro event, you take the cover off to fix them and thanks to low gravity planning some parts may be covered by others and less accessible, hopefully there's some middle ground in that thinking.
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Old 11 Mar 2007, 13:02 (Ref:1863607)   #5
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well the issue featuring that car should be on sale next week (online edition) and is the NA shops a week after that.

I forgot about the riley - much the same deal as the epsilon I assume.
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Old 11 Mar 2007, 16:09 (Ref:1863671)   #6
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Not sure if this is actual or just rumor but the Creation Autosportif team were talking about developing a coupe for this season in readiness for the ACO reg change in 2010. But as of yet I have neither seen nor heard anything of the project, just alot about the sale of the CA06 chassis and the development of the "Big Wheel" Creation CA07. So I wondeer if the deal with AER has precluded them from developing the new coupe?
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There was a bit about Creations plans somewhere in the news archive of Mulsane Mikes site and also on DSC I belive.

Pic here though:

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There was a bit about Creations plans somewhere in the news archive of Mulsane Mikes site and also on DSC I belive.

Pic here though:
That's the baby! And mighty fine too IF it ever comes to fruition!? Still not heard if it will happen this season though?

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Why should costs for a coupe be significantly more than an open car?

We had over a decade with Group C/IMSA GTP coupes, are we saying it's more difficult/too expensive to make a coupe these days!

If it cost's $50k-$100k extra to design a coupe, even build each individual car, is that really significant?

How much more does an RS Spyder cost over a Lola, a Lola over the Pilbeam etc?

A number of custmers in GT racing have told how they chose an Aston or Ferrari over cheaper, equally competive, Saleens, Panoz etc.

The reason, they can attract greater sponsorship, and have a higher resale value.

If I was a prospective sponoser, all things being equal, I'd choose the coupe everytime. They recieve far, far more coverage from the media and fans, just look at the number of threads on this very forum.

It's no coincidence manufactuers like Bentley, Mercedes and Toyota went down the coupe route, even when regs were against them.

As for Epsillon not selling any cars, maybe that has more to do with them seemingly springing up out of nowhere. If they had a car up and running there would likely be a little more interest.
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That's the baby! And mighty fine too IF it ever comes to fruition!? Still not heard if it will happen this season though?
It won't happen this season but last I read on DSC it would be built.
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do'h forgot that too - Kieron showed that to me in the pit lane at Le Mans

Ok so

Peugeot 908 - first race at Monza, testing currently
Lola - likely to appear later this year - DSC know the most about it at the mo
Epsilon EE LMP - needs more money I suspect design very advanced
Riley - needs a (rich) customer
Creation - 07 car may have a top on it - first race at Monza?

Re the epsilon - the team is proper and Travis/Villadelprat have long track records
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hee hee, I recognise that drawing !LOL!
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hee hee, I recognise that drawing !LOL!
I stole it. Unashamedly so too...
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