[Team] Williams: Do they have a spare tub?

[billy bleach]

Originally Posted by P38 in workshop

The previous two posts actually encapsulate why he had to go.After a long enough spell to form an opinion of the capabilities of the team he should have been able to understand the strong and weak points and act accordingly.We are given to understand that there was a purge of middle managers at Grove late last year which hints that something was awry.Then the team shows up at the second test-not the first as the car was incomplete-and the car has suspension that doesn't comply with the regulations.


A few weeks later George Russell admits that there is a fundamental problem with the car and it will take months to fix.Months have now passed and any improvement is no more than the teams with initially superior cars have made and the relative positions are pretty much unchanged.I hope for the sake of Williams that the major change will be in place after the summer break and a string of decent finishes comes along.It might give enough of a confidence boost to help with the sponsorship situation next year and it would raise morale at Grove.It all hinges on whether the engineering brains still in place can come up with an effective solution as there is no indication of any of the better known names being recruited.If a car with a Mercedes engine is at the back at a circuit like Monza we will have an answer I suppose.

In theory a car with no downforce and Mercpower should be right on it at Monza....

[morninggents]

I just wonder if the Merc customer engine is up to par as Stroll's lot aren't doing too well either.

[P38 in workshop]

Originally Posted by morninggents

I just wonder if the Merc customer engine is up to par as Stroll's lot aren't doing too well either.

I read an interview with Andrew Green a couple of months ago in which he said that their near collapse last year had left them in a position where they had to produce a car which was compromised due to the short amount of time available.They went with the concept and while it is faster than the Williams,it is still sub-optimal and will have a major upgrade at mid-season.Which suggests that they have planned the way forward and are likely to be nearer the front in the latter stages of the season.They also appear to have sufficient funding to be able to discard anything that doesn't perform as well as predicted.A luxury that Williams may envy.

[VIVA GT]

Originally Posted by morninggents

I just wonder if the Merc customer engine is up to par as Stroll's lot aren't doing too well either.

Interesting that you bring the other Mercedes team in here. I'm sadly beginning to think of the two teams as Racing Point and What's the Point (and I speak as a life long fan of WGPE).

[chunterer]

Originally Posted by VIVA GT

Interesting that you bring the other Mercedes team in here. I'm sadly beginning to think of the two teams as Racing Point and What's the Point (and I speak as a life long fan of WGPE).

😄 Nicely done...

Soo much needs to be done at What's the Point and I'm not sure if they have the time/money to get it done. Hope i'm wrong as i'd love to see the team part of the multi team scrap behind the untouchables, at least.

[crmalcolm]

Originally Posted by VIVA GT

What's the Point (and I speak as a life long fan of WGPE).

At the moment, the only point I can see is to highlight just how well Mercedes are doing, and to serve as a reminder of how far a team can decline from being a 9-times constructors' champion.

[S griffin]

It's a shame when they had a good mini revival 2014-16, although they really didn't take the most of their opportunities at the time. I remember the 2014 Canadian GP when Massa inherited the lead after both Mercs hit trouble and rather than take a chance and keep him out to the end, they pitted him when there was no requirement to and instead of a win, Massa ended up colliding with Checo

[Armco Bender]

They made a good comeback in 1978 too with Jones in Saudi money car...theres always hope..

[tux]

Sobering stat from Sky Sports F1.

At Paul Ricard Williams were 5.06% away from pole position. In Manor F1s last season they were never below 5% of pole position at any point.

[Armco Bender]

If Williams finish 2 laps down on every race,at the end of the season they will have done 1 whole race less than all the other teams.

[GTRMagic]

Originally Posted by Armco Bender

If Williams finish 2 laps down on every race,at the end of the season they will have done 1 whole race less than all the other teams.

Think of the petrol that will save

[JeremySmith]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

Think of the petrol that will save

Hahahahaha....

[peebee2]

It’s got to the point where you can almost imagine it, that Claire’s car gets a top up after each race to save her filling up that week

[Armco Bender]

Kubica was 3 laps down,maybe the Williams could get a head start at the next race?.

[hondafan37]

Williams could return to Renault engines in 2020, and with this event McLaren could return to Mercedes engines too.

https://f1i.com/news/347146-williams...s-in-2020.html

[GTRMagic]

Originally Posted by hondafan37

Williams could return to Renault engines in 2020, and with this event McLaren could return to Mercedes engines too.

https://f1i.com/news/347146-williams...s-in-2020.html

Presumably the Renault engines may be cheaper to operate?

[bjohnsonsmith]

Originally Posted by hondafan37

Williams could return to Renault engines in 2020, and with this event McLaren could return to Mercedes engines too.

https://f1i.com/news/347146-williams...s-in-2020.html

As the article says: "At this point there appears little substance to the paddock gossip, and none of the parties involved have made any comments on the reports so far.

Which just goes to show that silly season is alive and well in the engine market just as it is with the drivers..."

[VIVA GT]

Although this is clearly just a rumour, the logic of using (an engine - sorry) a Power Unit which is clearly less powerful than the one they are currently using so they can improve their performance would fit in with their usual way of thinking!
Another thought, why don't they promote distant cousin Serena Williams to run the team? She seems to be pretty successful at what she does

[wnut]

Originally Posted by VIVA GT

Although this is clearly just a rumour, the logic of using (an engine - sorry) a Power Unit which is clearly less powerful than the one they are currently using so they can improve their performance would fit in with their usual way of thinking!
Another thought, why don't they promote distant cousin Serena Williams to run the team? She seems to be pretty successful at what she does

[VIVA GT]

Originally Posted by wnut

Sorry, to explain. My first comment was that aimed at the fact that thy are clearly struggling and therefore presumably not making the right, or logical decisions. So, deciding to change to a power unit which appears to be performing less well than the one they are currently using, but looking at it as a way of providing a performance advantage seemed to me to be similarly illogical.
My second comments was supposed to be a bit of light-hearted whimsy based on a thought that came to me last night (after a few glasses of wine) after watching highlights of the days play from Wimbledon.
Apologies for any confusion caused, please forgive me, it was early in the morning when I wrote it.

[chillibowl]

with years of experience on the Millennium Falcon faster, Billy Dee Williams would seem a good choice. and after having just killed the Night King, maybe Maisie Williams?

lots of quality choices who would keep the name intact out there!

but interesting rumour though...but i am more intrigued by the suggestion that Mclaren would take on the Merc supply...just speculation on my part but does Merc want a customer who has the resources to become a competitor?

could this be a nifty little move to encourage Merc to give Williams a better deal?

[billy bleach]

Originally Posted by hondafan37

Williams could return to Renault engines in 2020, and with this event McLaren could return to Mercedes engines too.

https://f1i.com/news/347146-williams...s-in-2020.html

Cannot imagine Mercedes are thrilled with their customers performance....

[S griffin]

They might as well try something new considering they are going nowhere atm

[chillibowl]

sounds like Williams are closing in on new deal with Merc. remains to be seen what additional components they will take.

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/w...-deal/4492518/

[Richard C]

As mentioned in another thread... Williams title sponsor ROKiT extended from three to five years. Good for Williams!

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/w...nsion/4492369/