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Old 7 May 2013, 06:15 (Ref:3243800)   #1516
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Secondly, I will wonder why there are bits of the car missing over the 4 wheels. Then I will remember the rules; Another item that I will make a concerted effort to ignore.
Next year, the air extractor holes can on the inside of the wheel arch.

So we might see solutions such as

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Old 7 May 2013, 06:18 (Ref:3243803)   #1517
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I am afraid that all the new LMP's will look very much a like but they may do something to make it stand out from the rest
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Old 7 May 2013, 08:02 (Ref:3243838)   #1518
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Next year, the air extractor holes can on the inside of the wheel arch.

So we might see solutions such as


That is a marked improvement Mr. G...but it still looks like there are bits missing from the car.
The first thing I noticed however was....No Fin!!!!
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Old 7 May 2013, 09:11 (Ref:3243858)   #1519
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I think there is little question that it won't look that different than the other LMP coupes that are out there now... some detail differences, but not much.
Right! No so much differences, because rules impose such design. Just details, but not so much other...
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Old 7 May 2013, 13:35 (Ref:3243961)   #1520
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The 2014 cars will be narrower, and the cockpits higher and therefore slightly bigger in terms of the proportion of the car. Ergo...the fins will look slightly less prominent than they do now.

The fins don't look too bad on the Gulf Racing Lola or the Rebellions, it's the factory LMP1s that you need beer goggles to look at without weeping.
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Old 7 May 2013, 14:36 (Ref:3243983)   #1521
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Yes, I suspect the first words that will come to my mind will be UGLY FIN!!!!
Then I will make a concerted effort never to look at that ungodly piece of carbon fiber again.
Secondly, I will wonder why there are bits of the car missing over the 4 wheels. Then I will remember the rules; Another item that I will make a concerted effort to ignore.
Finally I will take in of what remains of the car. I hope I like it.

Exactly!

Just so long as she comes out fighting. I don't want them to win like they did back in 98. I want her to be fast and reliable.
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Old 7 May 2013, 15:08 (Ref:3243998)   #1522
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Old 7 May 2013, 17:23 (Ref:3244041)   #1523
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Good!!! At last I see a lot of people recognize that LMP1 are horrible.
If you are the ACO, You make the rules. Then Why do you make your main class are so ugly? you can make that your LMP1 look like hypercars. Like McLaren P1, LaFerrari, Porsche 918 RSR, Pagani Huayra etc.
I would like that:
http://tentenths.com/forum/showthrea...07659&page=157
Its interesting to note what makes a high performance road car look like a road car rather the current LMPs, since both are (supposedly) 2 seater, 4-wheel vehicles:-
The biggest difference of course is that a road car like the McLaren MP4 12c is a proper two seater, seating two people in a relatively upright comfortable position... not a one and a half seater with a fire extinguisher/battery/KERS system in the passenger seat and a "green house" that is too big for one and too small for two.
The other difference is that a road car, even a high performance one, needs to have at least a little luggage space (generally at the front of a mid or rear engine vehicle).
The final area for main differences is related to safety legislation; bumpers and lights must be at or above a certain height above the road, and sharp edges must not present themselves in case of collision with pedetrians.
The issues above would set the basis for my "Prototype Sportscar" chassis rules, the rules governing the bodywork itself would be relatively free, but of course it would have to wrap itself around the larger passenger area that would be mandated. Fire extinguisers/batteries/KERS systems would need to be either in the engine bay area or in the "luggage" area; not the driver/passenger area.
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Old 7 May 2013, 17:47 (Ref:3244050)   #1524
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Good!!! At last I see a lot of people recognize that LMP1 are horrible.
If you are the ACO, You make the rules. Then Why do you make your main class are so ugly? you can make that your LMP1 look like hypercars. Like McLaren P1, LaFerrari, Porsche 918 RSR, Pagani Huayra etc.
I would like that:
http://tentenths.com/forum/showthrea...07659&page=157
Its interesting to note what makes a high performance road car look like a road car rather the current LMPs, since both are (supposedly) 2 seater, 4-wheel vehicles:-
The biggest difference of course is that a road car like the McLaren MP4 12c is a proper two seater, seating two people in a relatively upright comfortable position... not a one and a half seater with a fire extinguisher/battery/KERS system in the passenger seat and a "green house" that is too big for one and too small for two.
The other difference is that a road car, even a high performance one, needs to have at least a little luggage space (generally at the front of a mid or rear engine vehicle).
The final area for main differences is related to safety legislation; bumpers and lights must be at or above a certain height above the road, and sharp edges must not present themselves in case of collision with pedetrians.
The issues above would set the basis for my "Prototype Sportscar" chassis rules, the rules governing the bodywork itself would be relatively free, but of course it would have to wrap itself around the larger passenger area that would be mandated. Fire extinguisers/batteries/KERS systems would need to be either in the engine bay area or in the "luggage" area; not the driver/passenger area.
I know it's gonna be off-topic, but there is another way to call it a two-seater prototype. Why not arrange it in a tandem configuration other than side-by-side.
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Good!!! At last I see a lot of people recognize that LMP1 are horrible.
If you are the ACO, You make the rules. Then Why do you make your main class are so ugly? you can make that your LMP1 look like hypercars. Like McLaren P1, LaFerrari, Porsche 918 RSR, Pagani Huayra etc.
Do you understand the difference:

Road legal supercar: designed to go fast and look nice.

Not production based race car: designed to go fast.

You can't make a full prototype class look like road cars, unless you make it half-spec class at the same time. It's not the rules (excluding the fin, but you know why it is there) that make them ugly, it's modern knowhow of aero.
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Old 7 May 2013, 18:03 (Ref:3244055)   #1526
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Good!!! At last I see a lot of people recognize that LMP1 are horrible.
If you are the ACO, You make the rules. Then Why do you make your main class are so ugly? you can make that your LMP1 look like hypercars. Like McLaren P1, LaFerrari, Porsche 918 RSR, Pagani Huayra etc.
I would like that:
http://tentenths.com/forum/showthrea...07659&page=157
Its interesting to note what makes a high performance road car look like a road car rather the current LMPs, since both are (supposedly) 2 seater, 4-wheel vehicles:-
The biggest difference of course is that a road car like the McLaren MP4 12c is a proper two seater, seating two people in a relatively upright comfortable position... not a one and a half seater with a fire extinguisher/battery/KERS system in the passenger seat and a "green house" that is too big for one and too small for two.
The other difference is that a road car, even a high performance one, needs to have at least a little luggage space (generally at the front of a mid or rear engine vehicle).
The final area for main differences is related to safety legislation; bumpers and lights must be at or above a certain height above the road, and sharp edges must not present themselves in case of collision with pedetrians.
The issues above would set the basis for my "Prototype Sportscar" chassis rules, the rules governing the bodywork itself would be relatively free, but of course it would have to wrap itself around the larger passenger area that would be mandated. Fire extinguisers/batteries/KERS systems would need to be either in the engine bay area or in the "luggage" area; not the driver/passenger area.
theres already a gt class
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Old 7 May 2013, 18:15 (Ref:3244056)   #1527
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theres already a gt class
And building a GT class around hypercars would be brilliant... for one season. Then everyone who wasn't winning bails out after putting in too much money for too little return, and the class dies.
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Old 7 May 2013, 19:11 (Ref:3244083)   #1528
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Do you understand the difference:

Road legal supercar: designed to go fast and look nice.

Not production based race car: designed to go fast.

You can't make a full prototype class look like road cars, unless you make it half-spec class at the same time. It's not the rules (excluding the fin, but you know why it is there) that make them ugly, it's modern knowhow of aero.
I do not coincide with you. Of course that a racing car not always is pretty but you can do the rules in order that they are seen more pretty.
Did you see the images? And did you read well the text?
If the LMP1 would be in conformity with these rules, these cars would be more beatifull!!!
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No leave the two separate prototypes are one thing GT's are another, i like the fact that in this type of racing if one class is not exciting at that particular moment then you can bet the other is
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And building a GT class around hypercars would be brilliant... for one season. Then everyone who wasn't winning bails out after putting in too much money for too little return, and the class dies.
I am not speaking about homologated street cars, I am speaking about prototypes.
You only need a cabin more big and a bumpers more high.
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