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Old 5 Jan 2015, 16:04 (Ref:3490097)   #51
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Mike - I think generally they tend to attach the chains to substantial components underneath - suspension arm, crossmember, etc. However, as Terence said, we have no way of knowing if this has been done effectively in this case. It's going to be a rather large insurance payout if not!

When you said it wasn't ran aground because of the list - I don't see why then? Do you have another reason?
I thought I posted that it was beached because of the list, but the list was not deliberate, but hey ho.....

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Old 5 Jan 2015, 21:48 (Ref:3490172)   #52
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Sorry Mike - I read it as you were saying it wasn't the list that caused the decision to ground it. Just my mis-interpretation!

Thought it seemed strange...
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Old 6 Jan 2015, 06:22 (Ref:3490264)   #53
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Sorry Mike - I read it as you were saying it wasn't the list that caused the decision to ground it. Just my mis-interpretation!
No problem Paul, sometimes what my fingers are typing isn't what my brain is thinking, so anything is possible!

Looking at latest pics of the beached ship I can't imagine anything on board being undamaged. Going to be an interesting salvage op.
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Just been playing about and found that if you actually click on " Vimeo" on the bottom right it works.

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An ex-employee of the Ferry company was interviewed on TV last night and stated that cars are fastened down with ratchet straps, whereas heavy plant / commercials are chained down - so in his opinion most will have survived.....I'd guess it depends on how abrupt any stop/impact was.....if it was a relatively gradual grounding and tilt, those restraints may have held....

Times reported today that load (which was apparently only one third of maximum!) comprised 1200 Jaguar cars and Land-Rover 4x4s, 65 BMW Minis, 105 JCB "diggers" and a single Rolls-Royce Silver Wraith........Speculation that even if undamaged vehicles might be scrapped because of fears of future product liability issues........which would seem to be a waste.....
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I expect it was a couple of the JCBs and the heavy "Roller" that moved and tipped it over !

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An ex-employee of the Ferry company was interviewed on TV last night and stated that cars are fastened down with ratchet straps, whereas heavy plant / commercials are chained down - so in his opinion most will have survived.....I'd guess it depends on how abrupt any stop/impact was.....if it was a relatively gradual grounding and tilt, those restraints may have held....
They may well be OK as long as they don't get wet but how the hell could they be got off the ship at that angle ?
Not quite a job for pikies with a hiab
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An ex-employee of the Ferry company was interviewed on TV last night and stated that cars are fastened down with ratchet straps, whereas heavy plant / commercials are chained down - so in his opinion most will have survived.....I'd guess it depends on how abrupt any stop/impact was.....if it was a relatively gradual grounding and tilt, those restraints may have held....

Times reported today that load (which was apparently only one third of maximum!) comprised 1200 Jaguar cars and Land-Rover 4x4s, 65 BMW Minis, 105 JCB "diggers" and a single Rolls-Royce Silver Wraith........Speculation that even if undamaged vehicles might be scrapped because of fears of future product liability issues........which would seem to be a waste.....
Agreed Richard, what a waste. Fear of the lawyers again no doubt...
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Al, been there done that and have now given up trying.Thanks anyway.
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I expect it was a couple of the JCBs and the heavy "Roller" that moved and tipped it over !
According to reports, you aren't far off the mark.
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Nah, someone left the handbrake off on the Wraith- or it's electronic.....

The local Beeb report suggests some cargo had moved enough to cause a 'breach', but assumed after the incident. (Leaned against a door?) Apparently this has now been closed but ship has taken some water. Initially they were hoping to start righting op today, but think the breach has delayed this, and there are storms coming......... Perhaps I'm weird but find this sort of technical challenge fascinating. Hope we get to see how it gets sorted- or not!

One talking head suggested the type of ferry involved is inherently unseaworthy, and when you look at it sitting there you have to think he may be right!

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Pah if I still had my speedboat with it's 40hp outboard I could just pop out there with a bit of cord and pull it up !
And I bet that the captain doesn't have a bushy grey beard!!!Capt Sloane said it was "unlikely" the incident was caused by human error and was possibly an electrical fault with sensors which control the ballast, or ballast pumps.

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So he doesn't flog fishfingers then?
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I did this same dive but 15 years ago when the trucks weren't so corroded.
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BBC reporting that the boat has "refloated itself".

Smart boat ...
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BBC reporting that the boat has "refloated itself".

Smart boat ...
If it was that smart it wouldn't have got stuck in first place!

Yes, Beeb reporting has been re floated, although all the web news reports still saying won't be.......

Hopefully some film on TV later.
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Just watching news and the ferry has decided to float away on her own .reminds me of a time when I was a retained fireman . We got called out as a horse was stuck in a ditch .We stood around scratching our heads I was down in the ditch blowing up it's nose . Then the next village fire engine turned up so now about ten fireman all scrating their heads I'm still talking to the horse and now coverd head to toe in mud . We then decided to get the wrecker out and strap the horse around it's belly then lift it out . So wrecker came then a full time pump from reading along with an officer . So after about two hours there are now nearly 30 fireman all coming up with daft ideas and I forgot a vet got called out as well . Anyway all of a Suden the horse decided enough was enough and she got up on her own And that was that .
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Sounds exactly the same scenario! Who do I complain to about the salvage anti climax?

Mind you, they've still got to get it upright......

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They may well be OK as long as they don't get wet but how the hell could they be got off the ship at that angle ?
Not quite a job for pikies with a hiab
Just seen the amazing pics from this afternoon when the tide unexpectedly refloated the ship and they were towing it away, still listing very heavily......be interesting to see how the salvage operation goes
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Just watching news and the ferry has decided to float away on her own .reminds me of a time when I was a retained fireman . We got called out as a horse was stuck in a ditch .We stood around scratching our heads I was down in the ditch blowing up it's nose . Then the next village fire engine turned up so now about ten fireman all scrating their heads I'm still talking to the horse and now coverd head to toe in mud . We then decided to get the wrecker out and strap the horse around it's belly then lift it out . So wrecker came then a full time pump from reading along with an officer . So after about two hours there are now nearly 30 fireman all coming up with daft ideas and I forgot a vet got called out as well . Anyway all of a Suden the horse decided enough was enough and she got up on her own And that was that .
Must have been like a spring day with that many daffodils standing around

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Hey, Happy New Year, Peter - how are you doing? You know Steve and I are hoping to be back on track in an Alfa 75 V6 this year?......medicals allowing
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