Paul Morris is selling his BMWs

Michael H · 21 Jul 2001, 10:13 (Ref:119888)

In Autosport there is an ad for two BMWs for sale, and they are Paul Morris'. That means he won't be racing in the ASTC for sure.

Crash Test · 21 Jul 2001, 10:36 (Ref:119900)

Youch....that's gotta hurt.

Quite frankly I'm surprised by that....you know what- now I wouldn't be surprised if he went and built a Toca Touring car...

racer69 · 21 Jul 2001, 11:20 (Ref:119917)

Damn, i saw the same add in Autosport, and as there fpr sale in an english magazine means there must not be any interest in the cars, or they need the money and overseas would get them more money. But hang on, i thought Stef Zelenak owned the BMW's Paul was using, which were ex- BMW M Team and BMW Motorsport Australia cars, and he purchased them to try and run Brabham and Murphy in the 98 ASTC. Don't know if that is good or bad news for the series, means more people will win, but two competitors will be lost, and two cars.

I'm pretty sure Paul was going to run a TOCA/Future Tourer anyway, TOCA have given up on Super Tourers and The TOCA Tourers need some cars, and at the last round of the ASTC at Oran Park McConville said that they were working on it. Maybe a BMW...........

What a shame

Crash Test · 21 Jul 2001, 11:37 (Ref:119919)

Stef Zelenak....now there's a name I haven't heard in a long time...do you think he is even still in the picture? I thought that the Morris's bought their cars back?

DNQ · 21 Jul 2001, 22:39 (Ref:120079)

Terrible news. I really hope he builds a TOCA Tourer. If he doesn't race, then the end for TOCA is certainly getting closer than it was before.

kmchow · 22 Jul 2001, 05:32 (Ref:120134)

I'm with racer69--it's a tossup. It's nice since all the other drivers will get more coverage which is good for sponsors, but could be detrimental as well if Morris draws a lot of the crowds that attend the races? With no Morris, will the crowds shrink??

Perhaps, he is going to purchase a Primera???? ;-) Okay, that is a sad and bad joke!!! =( Sighhh,, and back in '96/'97, it looked like ST would take over the world motorsport scene and threaten F1 or F3000!!! Sighh...

Crash Test · 22 Jul 2001, 11:52 (Ref:120182)

"With no Morris, will the crowds shrink??"
-I could say something about that...but it really isn't needed...

D.R.T. · 23 Jul 2001, 09:06 (Ref:120442)

Morris putting his cars on the market, I don't see that as a sure thing that he isn't racing in the ASTC. What he should do is keep both BMW's , if he doesn't want to race, give 1 to kelly and allow someone else to drive the 318i, problem solved. That way Mount Cotton Wines can still be sponsor as I believe they really enjoyed the ST's last year. You keep Nemo Racing involved in ST's , I guess BMW Australia awell , that way you 'd have a new champion at the end of the season. The I believe may increase because they be seeing new winners and a new champion.

Crash Test · 24 Jul 2001, 07:46 (Ref:120928)

The fact that they are 'for sale' probably means that the team doesn't want to race them....

"give 1 to kelly..."
- I don't know if give is the right word....lease maybe? And Mount Cotton Wines, I think you will find is a part of the Morris business empire, so you'd have to talk to Terry about that one..

racer69 · 24 Jul 2001, 08:34 (Ref:120957)

I Know Siromet Wines is part of Morris International, but i don't think that Mount Cotton is.

Crash Test · 24 Jul 2001, 13:12 (Ref:121112)

Hmm...I think you'll find that there would be some sort of deal/connection there...is it on www.morrisint.com.au ?

D.R.T. · 3 Aug 2001, 07:47 (Ref:125487)

Crash I think you would be wrong about that. Mount Cotton wines have been sponsoring morris since 1999. They said they had had a great time with the sponsorship in 2000 and I don't see them giving it up easily.

Crash Test · 3 Aug 2001, 11:37 (Ref:125532)

DRT- Perhaps you'd like to have a gander at http://www.sirromet.com/ and look under the 'Winery' heading...

Kind of like if I sponsored myself, of course I'd be happy with the coverage I'd be getting, and of course I would promote that fact.

elephino · 3 Aug 2001, 12:24 (Ref:125550)

And guess which wine company was on Matt Neal's car...

Buckshot · 4 Aug 2001, 01:51 (Ref:125734)

Quote:

And guess which wine company was on Matt Neal's car...

Oh...you mean the brand new car he wrote off ?

Now Morris will be more keen than ever to get these BMWs sold.

D.R.T. · 5 Aug 2001, 05:19 (Ref:126030)

Yeah, considering that he is loaded with his motor racing success and that one BMW , his 320i would buy 2 V8 Supercars!!!!!. Isn't that really intruiging.

elephino · 5 Aug 2001, 08:55 (Ref:126066)

Two very cheap V8 Supercars...

buckshot, I did say 'was'

DAVID PATERSON · 5 Aug 2001, 12:11 (Ref:126109)

Originally posted by DRT:

Quote:

one BMW , his 320i would buy 2 V8 Supercars!!!!!.

A good EL or VS V8 Supercar is worth about $120 000 -130 000. Do you honestly believe a 4 year old Super Tourer is worth half a million dollars. You've got to be kidding.

Crash Test · 6 Aug 2001, 05:37 (Ref:126436)

But DRT, you're telling us Super Touring is affordable and good value...??

Buckshot · 6 Aug 2001, 05:52 (Ref:126439)

Note - to the gentleman

willing to pay half a million bucks for an old Super Tourer - I have for sale one Harbour Bridge, slightly used but still in excellent condition.

Contact me in regards to price and I'll see what I can do.

D.R.T. · 6 Aug 2001, 06:58 (Ref:126464)

I lastest spec V8 Supercar 2001 or 1973 whatever way you look at it, costs about $300,000. Where as a Audi Quattro in 1996 cost Audi Australia $470,000. BMW would be the same if not more expensive than the Audi boys considering that was the price Audi gave to the factory boys. Also the BMW of Morris has some very trick bits on it now. So the BMW would almost be worth 2 V8 Supercars. See

Buckshot · 6 Aug 2001, 07:29 (Ref:126477)

Posted in the last 2 issues of Auto Action:

Quote:

For Sale: Audi A4 Quattro Super Tourer: Factory built A4, ready to race, fresh rebuild on motor, trans and electronics, $55,000 US, car is located in Michigan USA.

$55,000 is worth about what...$120,000 Aussie Pesos being generous ?

It doesn't matter how much the cars cost new - an item is only worth what somebody else is willing to pay for it. Do you honestly think anyone with a clue would pay half a million to buy a car to run it in a series in it's death throes ? If they were...I have that bridge they could race it on of course.

D.R.T. · 6 Aug 2001, 08:35 (Ref:126501)

I am not saying how much people would pay for them now, I'm talking worth of the vehicle. That ad in AA is from America , ST's haven't been raced there since 1997, I'm sure the guy would be happy with any money he can get.

Buckshot · 6 Aug 2001, 08:48 (Ref:126504)

Are we all speaking english here ?

I'll say it again. An item is only worth what somebody else is willing to pay for it.

Crash Test · 6 Aug 2001, 13:01 (Ref:126591)

And so what exactly? I could spend a billion dollars to make a solid gold super tourer, but what would that prove exactly? Nothing.

And by the way, if you think that top teams like HRT only spend $300,000 on new cars these days, you would probably be somewhat gullible...

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