Lacklustre Montoya?

Sodemo · 14 Sep 2003, 14:00 (Ref:718453)

Did anyone else feel that Juan should not have just "given up" with 12 laps to go?

If he would have continued to push, TGF may have had problems/made a mistake.

**Adam43** · 14 Sep 2003, 14:09 (Ref:718460)

er, he said after losing time to a coupel of back markers he did just get it to the finish. He didn't think he could get past Micheal anyway. The results wouldn't have been any different.

He feeld he will have the car at higher downforce tracks too.

Lap 1 wasn't really like giving up either.

He did give up (if you like) in the last few laps, but I don't think it is a big issue. We could perhaps blame the points system.

X-ecutioner · 14 Sep 2003, 14:16 (Ref:718467)

That was the down point in the race. Montoya giving up on the chase. I was like C'mon!?!?! You people are paid to do racing, go ahead and entertain me!

Anyway nothing can be achieved by *****ing at it. I just think the race could've been better if the Montoya-schumacher and barrichello-raikkonen duel could've continued till the last corner of the last lap. Well, can you blame me? I'm a damn racing fan!!

ASCII Man · 14 Sep 2003, 14:19 (Ref:718472)

Thanks Frentzen and Fisichella for f***ing up the race.

**Adam43** · 14 Sep 2003, 14:22 (Ref:718476)

A little harsh, even Montoya stopped short of blaming them outright in the press conference.

ASCII Man · 14 Sep 2003, 14:24 (Ref:718480)

It was pretty obvious, especially Frentzen.

**Adam43** · 14 Sep 2003, 14:26 (Ref:718484)

I thought he was perhaps unlucky where we caught them, but the TV shots don't always show it that well. Patrick Head wasn't that impressed.

Anyway I though you were asleep

ASCII Man · 14 Sep 2003, 14:28 (Ref:718487)

I woke up briefly to notice it...

corkholio · 14 Sep 2003, 14:35 (Ref:718496)

Funny how you aren't complaining about Baumgartner for not using his mirrors when a Ferrari was behind.

ASCII Man · 14 Sep 2003, 14:39 (Ref:718499)

I don't think that i have seen Baumgartner at all today.
Except at the start somewhere in the distance.

corkholio · 14 Sep 2003, 14:41 (Ref:718501)

Keep on forgetting that you like cars running further back.

ralf fan · 14 Sep 2003, 14:43 (Ref:718505)

Maybe he was just missing Ralf!!

Seriously i think it was just those back markers, he just lost too much time.

God darn ITV commentators. i though JPM came out in front of TGF , was bit of a dilema today i don't like TGF , dont like JPM, didn't know who to cheer:confused:

Sodemo · 14 Sep 2003, 14:46 (Ref:718508)

I knew straight away that it was Gene not Montoya.

ralf fan · 14 Sep 2003, 14:48 (Ref:718515)

Quote:

Originally posted by The Monster
I knew straight away that it was Gene not Montoya.

I thought it was strange as well ,but God darn Allen's voice was so loud and convincing i din;t know what to think!!

Good on Gene though to lead a GP,allbeit for 1 lap !!!

ASCII Man · 14 Sep 2003, 14:50 (Ref:718517)

Quote:

Originally posted by corkholio
Keep on forgetting that you like cars running further back.

A guy running in 6th is farther back than someone in 11th?
Weird........

Knowlesy · 14 Sep 2003, 15:06 (Ref:718528)

I can understand Juan backing off but would we have seen that from Michael? It is a little dissapointing. But hey - if he'd thrown it off the road the gap would be 11 points and the title would be as good as gone. We still have a title fight!

Wrex · 14 Sep 2003, 15:13 (Ref:718532)

He knew there was'nt anything he could do (even if he cuaght him) so he did the smart thing and brought it home. He has a championship to consider, suprisingly your personal entertainment does'nt outrank that.

ralf fan · 14 Sep 2003, 15:18 (Ref:718537)

I still say he was missing Ralf!!

But unlike me to disagree with mods, so according to me he did the smart thing and brought it home. Wimmiams will have an advantage in Indy with the long straight.

DavidStHubbins · 14 Sep 2003, 15:20 (Ref:718540)

He is learning...

Mark Webber · 14 Sep 2003, 15:58 (Ref:718567)

I don't know ralf fan williams couldn't take advantage of the fast track in the season what can one straight do as MS was faster in a straight line here you would think he would be faster in the USA

Damon · 14 Sep 2003, 16:03 (Ref:718577)

Ferrari sacrificed downforce for straight line speed and it paid off today. At a somewhat higher downforce Indy Williams should have the edge, but Ferrar's engine has certainly come on a great leap.

Mark Webber · 14 Sep 2003, 16:05 (Ref:718580)

Yes agreed but will a higher down force track effect the new spec tyres hhhhhhhmmmmmmmm.

ASCII Man · 14 Sep 2003, 16:06 (Ref:718583)

MS was faster in the straight lines because he could carry more speed through the medium fast corners like Lesmo's and Parabolica.

Williams should have the advantage at Indy, but even that is not sure now.

**Adam43** · 14 Sep 2003, 16:07 (Ref:718586)

Quote:

Originally posted by ralf fan
...,but God darn Allen's voice was so loud and convincing i din;t know what to think!!.

you should know by now. If James is so sure about something it must be wrong.

As for Ferrari/Williams relative pace at Indy. Well Monza is a different circuit to elsewhere. Ferrari were nowhere at Hungary and Williams has generally been better at other tracks too. It seems that high downforce tracks suits the Williams ( and other Michilin runners) more.

**Adam43** · 14 Sep 2003, 16:08 (Ref:718588)

Quote:

Originally posted by ASCII Man
MS was faster in the straight lines because he could carry more speed through the medium fast corners like Lesmo's and Parabolica.

Not sure about this one. A combination of many things, but the Ferrari was clearly running much less wing than the Williams.

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