WEC Ginetta LMP1 - Page 16

Deleted · 3 May 2018, 18:35 (Ref:3819215)

GINETTA THROW MONEY AT THEM

No-one will invest in you ever again if you don't make the case for the car

Bcarr6 · 3 May 2018, 18:37 (Ref:3819216)

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Originally Posted by Chiana

GINETTA THROW MONEY AT THEM

No-one will invest in you ever again if you don't make the case for the car

That is what i'd class as logic

Deleted · 3 May 2018, 18:42 (Ref:3819217)

Yeah well this is a mfg that not only was the first constructor to commit to the season, but was also boasting of three 2-car teams (at minimum) as well as of other inquiries of interest. Now here we are with their only actual customer seemingly hitting rock bottom with internal issues, and Ginetta does nothing.

If the thing is about to collapse, effectively transform it into your shadow works team then (for a while at least), like they did with LNT in LMP3 even if smaller scale. Don't let it sink

The first sign of trouble (if we discount the financial situations in China) were when they had relatively little amount of private testing, didn't commit for the night running for Prologue like everyone else, had trouble getting the second chassis ready for said Prologue, now it's just escalating ever further here

TzeiTzei · 3 May 2018, 18:52 (Ref:3819224)

Yeah I think it has to be money related. If it was just technical then would have said something.

I also agree with Chiana, that Ginetta should use every mean possible to make sure that the car does well on track. After their poor LMP3 effort they're not exactly the flavour of the month.

Juntos · 3 May 2018, 19:44 (Ref:3819234)

One day I wrote about doubting the arrival of the Chinese funds and I was hammered here. Without surprise I don't see any Chinese logos in the second car. Today everyone watched them failing to complete a competitive lap. Where is British motor sport press today to reveal the truth?

Deleted · 3 May 2018, 20:10 (Ref:3819240)

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Originally Posted by Juntos

Where is British motor sport press today to reveal the truth?

Still busy covering Hamilton's form I guess

peebee2 · 3 May 2018, 20:23 (Ref:3819246)

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Originally Posted by Chiana

GINETTA THROW MONEY AT THEM

No-one will invest in you ever again if you don't make the case for the car

Suspect Ginetta have been led right up the garden path.

TF110 · 3 May 2018, 20:30 (Ref:3819248)

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Originally Posted by Juntos

One day I wrote about doubting the arrival of the Chinese funds and I was hammered here. Without surprise I don't see any Chinese logos in the second car. Today everyone watched them failing to complete a competitive lap. Where is British motor sport press today to reveal the truth?

You did, kudos to calling it.

carbsmith · 3 May 2018, 22:35 (Ref:3819266)

For what it's worth I remember ByKolles/Lotus looking like serious vaporware on multiple occasions and yet they're still around.

**Bentley03** · 3 May 2018, 22:38 (Ref:3819267)

Daily Sportscar saying as much as they can on the CEFC TRSM situation.

Juntos · 3 May 2018, 23:39 (Ref:3819278)

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Originally Posted by carbsmith

For what it's worth I remember ByKolles/Lotus looking like serious vaporware on multiple occasions and yet they're still around.

Not all the teams afford to have one Colin Kolles. Nothing is impossible to a willing mind.

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Originally Posted by Bentley03

Daily Sportscar saying as much as they can on the CEFC TRSM situation.

Good text but so much secrecy doesn't help the cause.

DinkLv · 4 May 2018, 03:19 (Ref:3819294)

The problem is neither financial or technical, but a necessity of silence regarding the title sponsor. Otherwise it will be politically risky back in China and potentially detrimental to the team's future. Solution to this is on the way before Le Mans and the two Ginettas WILL BE ON THE GRID this weekend.

peebee2 · 4 May 2018, 04:21 (Ref:3819300)

Sounds like just money then.

DinkLv · 4 May 2018, 05:01 (Ref:3819301)

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Originally Posted by peebee2

Sounds like just money then.

It's not a problem of money; it's because if you advertise CEFC in China at the moment, the government will mess with your team. It's politics. New sponsors will come before Le Mans.

Deleted · 4 May 2018, 05:26 (Ref:3819304)

So economically political, politically economical

If so, why exactly couldn't they just run the cars without any sponsor logos in practice then?

And if it relates to just the name of the team appearing on timing sheets and press releases... Can't you just drop the title sponsor from the team name by making inquiry to the ACO? Or would the formal proceeding take ages or something because of FIA bureaucracy...

Also, isn't not making laps in the event gonna make even more headlines related for your Chinese Disaster, than it would if you run 'some' and were effectively largely ignored

peebee2 · 4 May 2018, 05:32 (Ref:3819306)

Clearly money and bs then...

DinkLv · 4 May 2018, 06:10 (Ref:3819313)

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Originally Posted by Chiana

So economically political, politically economical

If so, why exactly couldn't they just run the cars without any sponsor logos in practice then?

And if it relates to just the name of the team appearing on timing sheets and press releases... Can't you just drop the title sponsor from the team name by making inquiry to the ACO? Or would the formal proceeding take ages or something because of FIA bureaucracy...

Also, isn't not making laps in the event gonna make even more headlines related for your Chinese Disaster, than it would if you run 'some' and were effectively largely ignored

Possibly the team has submitted the inquiry to change its name but it can't get done before the race. Not sure but by Le Mans things would have been sort out.

Deleted · 4 May 2018, 06:16 (Ref:3819314)

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Originally Posted by DinkLv

Possibly the team has submitted the inquiry to change its name but it can't get done before the race. Not sure but by Le Mans things would have been sort out.

Riiiiiiight

So tomorrow, if they make it to grid, will they run the opening lap at the back of the field and immediately park the cars? That, and Dragonspeed making the so-called "public drive through" (or whatever they're saying), what image will that paint...

XtC24 · 4 May 2018, 08:17 (Ref:3819330)

I don't believe that it would end like this. All the preparation for nothing?
Impossible IMO. I am pretty sure Ginetta can fund at least one car as quasi manufacturer entry. This is bad for the bussines, also ACO would not be happy if this project failed.
C'mon Ginetta, you have the best looking cars in LMP1!

Truckosaurus · 4 May 2018, 08:56 (Ref:3819335)

I'm not sure it would be bad for business for Ginetta if the cars don't run (other than any contractual minimums) if they don't think they are going to sell any further cars for 2018, especially if Manor are confident they will be able to run at LM.

Victor_RO · 4 May 2018, 09:26 (Ref:3819347)

Still only one lap for each car in FP3 as well.

**PascaLM** · 4 May 2018, 10:17 (Ref:3819355)

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Originally Posted by Victor_RO

Still only one lap for each car in FP3 as well.

The situation must be awfully frustrating for the mechanics and the drivers.

**Dani Filth** · 4 May 2018, 10:27 (Ref:3819358)

doesnt' look good at all

Deleted · 4 May 2018, 10:31 (Ref:3819359)

What's the point of those single installation laps, does it excuse them in regulations or something?

antonylight · 4 May 2018, 10:49 (Ref:3819367)

May be a contractual obligation with their sponsors that they have to "take part" in every session?
So that (if) when lawyers get involved Ginetta have covered themselves?

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