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Old 30 Apr 2018, 18:45 (Ref:3818438)   #1
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Autosport reports that Red Bull have opened formal talks with Honda about a potential supply of engines for 2019. Good idea, bad idea? And what would it mean for the Aston Martin branding? It would be a brave move, notwithstanding Hondaís progress this year, but then it would make sense to have both chassis based round the same ICU.
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Old 30 Apr 2018, 19:22 (Ref:3818445)   #2
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The earlier they make that decision, the better. Better do it now and design the car around it than leave it to the last minute.
Also I don't think it would matter in terms of the Aston Martin branding as their actual involvement supplying engines to RB isn't in effect before 2021, so RB can just get a 3 yr Honda deal to tide them over.
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Old 30 Apr 2018, 21:01 (Ref:3818486)   #3
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But would Honda be happy to have AM stickers all over the car? Theyíre not *direct* competitors, but even so...
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Old 30 Apr 2018, 21:02 (Ref:3818487)   #4
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I could be wrong, but my understanding is that Aston Martin as a power unit supplier starting in 2021 is... maybe? Those regulations are not finalized and I wouldn't expect AM committing until they know what they are committing to. Anything could happen between now and then with respect to the regulations.

Regardless of what the situation is with respect to 2021, it would seem odd to have both the Aston Martin and Honda name on the car at the same time. I just don't see Honda wanting to rebrand the engine as Aston Martin just for RBR? Unless maybe the price is right?

Also, I don't really follow the state of the RBR and Renault relationship, but could Honda be both primary (if development goes well) and back (if development is not to RBR's liking) as some type of stalking horse scenario in which if they negotiate with Renault, that Renault knows Honda is in the wings and that RBR is not desperate (at least as portrayed by RBR) and in a bad negotiating position.

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Old 30 Apr 2018, 21:06 (Ref:3818492)   #5
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Red Bull has stabbed Renault in the back so many times I bet Renault would be glad to see the back of them
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Old 1 May 2018, 14:20 (Ref:3818673)   #6
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Mind that Red Bull already sponsors several motorsport programs by Honda.
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Old 1 May 2018, 16:10 (Ref:3818692)   #7
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Red Bull has stabbed Renault in the back so many times I bet Renault would be glad to see the back of them
Oh, I donít know. The knife wounds tend to be square in the chest for all to see.
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Aston doesn't have the money to build an engine. It will be badging at best. They are just a sponsor at the moment.
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Oh, I don’t know. The knife wounds tend to be square in the chest for all to see.



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Old 6 May 2018, 07:03 (Ref:3820231)   #10
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Oh, I donít know. The knife wounds tend to be square in the chest for all to see.


The fact that they are prepared to do business with them still boggles my mind, didn't surprise me that Merc and Ferrari didn't want to supply Red Bull after the way they treated Renault publicly before.

The other possibility is that if red bull aren't successful for a period of time that Dieter gets bored and packs his toys and leaves. Like he did in NASCAR


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I was surprised anyone wanted to do business with RBR.

I wouldn't be surprised if RBR just packed up and went, especially if they have a bad season. NASCAR is irrelevant
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.... didn't surprise me that Merc and Ferrari didn't want to supply Red Bull
Didn't surprise me either. I don't think Mercedes or Ferrari would like to be beaten by a customer team.
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Didn't surprise me either. I don't think Mercedes or Ferrari would like to be beaten by a customer team.
Exactly, nothing to do with how Red Bull reacted to Renault failings.
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Aston doesn't have the money to build an engine. It will be badging at best. They are just a sponsor at the moment.
Certainly not under the current regs but with the new regs who knows.
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They were still lucky to hold onto the Renault engines
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