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Old 2 May 2021, 23:05 (Ref:4049307)   #46
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Bottas needs to win this race, quite badly in my opinion. If he fluffs the start and then falls down the order, the demons are going to be visiting him.....
The start was good...

I was hoping for a Bottas win and maybe just maybe we had a three way for the title. I shall console myself for a two way battle with some top draw talent.
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Old 3 May 2021, 09:06 (Ref:4049347)   #47
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Decent race IMO. Shame Bottas couldn't hold on, but he gave it a good go. Lewis wins again, but Max second, there is still a long way to go. Just a shame the dreaded track limits came up again. Merc were lucky there. By pitting Bottas, they also gave Max the opportunity to pit and go for FL

Good drive from Checo, after an indifferent start to the season. Once again proved he's second to none in looking after tyres and looked comfortable leading. Shows he's the right choice

Bizarre accident between the Alfas, shame for Kimi there. Good recovery from Ricciardo after his disastrous qualifying. Shame Williams couldn't keep the pace they had in qualifying, but good drive by Mick Schumacher to get ahead of Latifi at the end
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Old 3 May 2021, 09:39 (Ref:4049358)   #48
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I wondered about whether Softs would have been the better choice for the last stint, but Perez would seem to have proved that wasn't the case.....he wasn't making any inroads into Bottas.

Yeah, such a strange track tyre wise. The midfield switched to hards and could barely better Alonso's pace on 30 lap old medium. Perez his lack of pace after his pitstop was quite strange.
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Old 3 May 2021, 13:56 (Ref:4049401)   #50
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so Lewis actualy asked for blue flags when he was behind Checo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdBp1AKnOSo
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Old 3 May 2021, 14:13 (Ref:4049410)   #51
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so Lewis actualy asked for blue flags when he was behind Checo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdBp1AKnOSo

Note to Lewis: not every Red Bull no 2 is incapable of keeping up!
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so Lewis actualy asked for blue flags when he was behind Checo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdBp1AKnOSo
This came to mind while everyone has been giving Mazepin grief. So while Mazepin may have had trouble staying out of the way, Lewis apparently wasn't sure who he was chasing down and passing!

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Old 3 May 2021, 17:25 (Ref:4049463)   #53
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That was funny.

Although I don’t really see the comparison to Mazepin, other than both situations were related to blue flags. Goes to show how unusual it is for Red Bull to have two cars near the front recently and also how slow Perez was going at that point.

But I don’t want to distract from the humor of the moment.
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Mercedes should have pitted Bottas a lap later, which would have meant that Red Bull would not have had the option to let Verstappen have a go at fastest lap.
I think Mercedes made a serious strategy error. Letting Perez get the fastest lap point wouldn't be much of a problem to Mercedes. But then they stopped Bottas for a go at Fastest Lap and that opened a gap for Verstappen to do the same. It was only Verstappen"s error due to pushing too hard that saved that point for Mercedes.
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Although I don’t really see the comparison to Mazepin, other than both situations were related to blue flags.
Situational awareness? Understanding what is happening around you perhaps.
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One is spacial awareness, using your mirrors and looking at the flag marshals. In a situation that happens a lot to you. I think Mazepin is even more used to being lapped than spinning.

The other is knowing what position a driver who you’ve not seen all day is in. One who is as likely to be one lap down as being in the lead because he’s running an unusual strategy. Indeed Lewis was looking at the flag marshals, unlike Mazepin, and wondered why, had the presence of mind to get on the radio and query why and then be informed of the situation.

It’s tenuous comparison at best.

It’s not important though.

However it was funny.

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Just a shame the dreaded track limits came up again.
I don't have a problem with "track limits" per se. Just the shambolic and inconsistent way they are policed. Broadly, there are three possible solutions:

1. Let the drivers drive off the track wherever and whenever they like, without penalty.

2. Rigidly apply penalties whenever a car goes outside the white line that defines the track.

3. Re-engineer the tracks so that there is a definite and clearcut natural penalty for going beyond track limits. (The barriers do the job wonderfully at Monaco, and the drivers show that they can drive within track limits when they are required to.)
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I don't have a problem with "track limits" per se. Just the shambolic and inconsistent way they are policed.
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1. Let the drivers drive off the track wherever and whenever they like, without penalty.
Can't see that working and I think you offer it more for balance than a possible option.

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2. Rigidly apply penalties whenever a car goes outside the white line that defines the track.
This is what it should be. (I speak from recent experience at Donington )

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3. Re-engineer the tracks so that there is a definite and clearcut natural penalty for going beyond track limits. (The barriers do the job wonderfully at Monaco, and the drivers show that they can drive within track limits when they are required to.)
Difficulty, as highlighted by CH the tracks have to cope with bikes and cars so the kerbs can't be too much of a penalty. Also the lack of grass or gravel is due to the possibility that a car leaving the circuit at speed will become airborne and/or roll. I don't think bike like gravel either.
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This is what it should be. (I speak from recent experience at Donington )
Ah, you managed to trigger Mr Palmer's sensors, did you? I'm so pleased that system works as it saves me making radio calls every lap

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Difficulty, as highlighted by CH the tracks have to cope with bikes and cars so the kerbs can't be too much of a penalty. Also the lack of grass or gravel is due to the possibility that a car leaving the circuit at speed will become airborne and/or roll. I don't think bike like gravel either.
Agreed. Making the tracks themselves less dangerous to *all* who might race on them means that compromises are reached in so many ways - spectators are further away, run-off can be used as track, etc etc. Speaking from personal experience as someone going out to a club driver who's just dropped it into the same gravel trap for the third time that day, it can be pretty annoying for them (as Peter will no doubt attest!) to lose your hard-paid-for track time due to a fairly minor mistake. I was in no doubt that day how angry the driver was with the world!

It is, however, the (in)consistency which matters. As mentioned above, Donington, Oulton Park and Brands Hatch (definitely) plus Snetterton (possibly?) have sensors with cameras pointing at them at the major track limits zones. In Donington's case - exit of Redgate, exit of the Old Hairpin, exit of Mcleans and I think at the exit of the final corner, Robert's. There is no disputing the photos - they're available to the clerk within a few seconds of being taken.

If that can be applied at a historic meeting or in a novice's race at a club meeting, plus in the BTCC, I can't see it being too hard to adopt internationally.

Saying that... HM's words have been very carefully chosen. He's making it look like the FIA have deliberately taken positions/points/wins and therefore money away from his team by the application of a rule with which he (at this time) disagrees. If it was Mercedes being penalised, I expect he'd be rather quieter about it...
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Difficulty, as highlighted by CH the tracks have to cope with bikes and cars so the kerbs can't be too much of a penalty. Also the lack of grass or gravel is due to the possibility that a car leaving the circuit at speed will become airborne and/or roll. I don't think bike like gravel either.

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