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Old 12 Jun 2013, 08:38 (Ref:3261331)   #101
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F1 engines in Endurance?!?!?!?
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Old 15 Jun 2013, 01:26 (Ref:3262883)   #102
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This has nothing to do with the Perrinn specifically but F1 engines in LMP1 is an idea that has been kicking around for a little while now by several motorsports journalist. Yet many of the "experts" on here continue to dismiss the idea. I don't think you'll see one in a Perrinn unless it's factory backed and supported. The engines would be far too expensive and complex for privateers.
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Old 15 Jun 2013, 12:04 (Ref:3263004)   #103
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The 2014 F1 power units are fully legal in LMP1, this was a deliberate move by the ACO/FIA. However does that mean anyone will use one? Probably not as they are very expensive.
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Old 15 Jun 2013, 12:05 (Ref:3263005)   #104
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The 2014 F1 power units are fully legal in LMP1, this was a deliberate move by the ACO/FIA. However does that mean anyone will use one? Probably not as they are very expensive.
Wasn't the mooted cost of a F1 engine deal at about 15-17 million Euro per season? That would be completely prohibitive to anyone but a factory team to actually run a F1 engine.
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IMO it will be a F1 derivated engine not a f1 engine, with much cheaper components. The materials could be much cheaper, for example, the resistance engines doesn't need ultraexpensive pneumathic valves or something like a ultracompact f1 gearbox.

It will be expensive but not that expensive.
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Old 16 Jun 2013, 10:26 (Ref:3263354)   #106
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Interesting point.

The whole idea behind Baretzky's universal motor was a block and internals which could be shared across platforms, not necessarily identical motors.

An F1 block, rods, crank, and oil pan with a different front cover to allow camshaft drive, different heads to hold mechanical valve gear, maybe pistons with a little more clearance, and a different transmission with takeoffs for an alternator and A/C would be a lot cheaper than a completely new motor because most of the heavy engineering would have been done to produce the F1 motor.

Timing and valve gear for a DOHC head shouldn’t be too hard to design. The intake and exhaust might get design-intensive, but at least there would be a baseline design and whatever test results from the development of the F1 motor.

Honda builds and leases endurance-racing motors. Maybe their 2015 offering will be based on their F1 engine. Maybe they have though ahead and are doing the design work simultaneously.
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Old 17 Jun 2013, 20:29 (Ref:3263984)   #107
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I´m still thinking about Cosworth... They have a current F1 engine that will become grand fathered next year and they said the past summer that they was working on a 2014 engine, but it seems that they won´t have any client next year (Marussia ran away).
It would be good to have them back into resistance.
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Old 20 Nov 2013, 15:26 (Ref:3334322)   #108
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Four wheel drive Perrinn to debut at Le Mans.

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Old 20 Nov 2013, 15:35 (Ref:3334329)   #109
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Good to see they are still working on this project. Making the car capable of handing a front hybrid will be a plus. Although, that is really a 2015 goal isn't it? As I thought the engine options for 2014 privateers came without hybrids.
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Old 20 Nov 2013, 15:37 (Ref:3334331)   #110
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I think this bit suggests that 2015 is their goal at the moment

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Old 20 Nov 2013, 16:43 (Ref:3334360)   #111
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Four wheel drive Perrinn to debut at Le Mans.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/111478
Well, they'll submit an application at least, whether they receive a bid is something completely different. Will the ACO grant a bid to a brand new car, that hasn't been run anywhere before, over other cars that are running full time? (Maybe not in P1, but in other places).
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Old 20 Nov 2013, 16:51 (Ref:3334368)   #112
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Maybe all they want to do is have a car ready to roll at Le Mans to show that they are serious.

As I read it they don't really have the money to run the thing all season, though I would be surprised if they didn't get accepted at Le Mans if they showed up before the test days with a real car, motor, and drivers. After all, there might not be a lot of privateer P1s on the grid, other than Rebellion.
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Old 20 Nov 2013, 20:01 (Ref:3334456)   #113
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I would recommend reading this article (in French) from endurance-info.com.

One learns that (only) three individuals (including Nicolas Perrin himself) are currently working on the project. It's a bit short (to say the least) for a project that targets a "constructor" programme. Perrinn Ltd obviously need to find a real constructor that would be ready to be involved and make this project fly.
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Old 20 Nov 2013, 20:13 (Ref:3334461)   #114
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I would recommend reading this article (in French) from endurance-info.com.

One learns that (only) three individuals (including Nicolas Perrin himself) are currently working on the project. It's a bit short (to say the least) for a project that targets a "constructor" programme. Perrinn Ltd obviously need to find a real constructor that would be ready to be involved and make this project fly.
Only three? Oh dear.

Partly I imagine due to Skipton not exactly being the centre of the universe? It's a lovely part of England, and Skipton has a very pretty castle, but not where I think of immediately when I think of hi-tech prototype sportscars...
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To be more precise, here is what Nicolas Perrin is reported to say:
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Nous sommes en relation étroite avec l’ACO et la FIA. L’auto a été présentée Ã* la FIA pour une pré-homologation. Je travaille sur le projet quotidiennement, notamment au niveau de l’aéro. Antoine Geslain, que l’on a vu chez Courage, est en charge de la conception mécanique. Au début du projet, nous étions assez nombreux mais vu que nous arrivons Ã* terme, nous ne sommes plus que trois. Il ne faut pas oublier que tout a débuté il y a maintenant trois ans.
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Old 22 Dec 2013, 11:09 (Ref:3346883)   #116
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I think its a must for them to showcase their car ..... look at what happened to Bailey , wasted all that money on design , production and all for nothing .

They must showcase their effort if they want to sell the thing .
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I hope we see it next year or maybe '15.
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Very nice looking, hopefully they run it at Le Mans as they previously stated.
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I hope we see it next year or maybe '15.
I hope so too. But I'm not very optimistic for 2014. Even much larger teams like Rebellion and OAK have a tight schedule for the completion of thier cars.
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If they can have something that looks like it might be a runner to display at Le Mans and then cobble together someone who's able to run it later in the year then we can start to say this is a credible project.

It's the downside to there not being a post-LM place in Europe to run an LMP1 - so should focus be on getting a Far Eastern investor to get it running in Fuji / Shanghai / Bahrain or maybe seeing if it could be sorted in LMP2 spec to run in a later ELMS round?
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Very nice looking, hopefully they run it at Le Mans as they previously stated.
Was that actually the statement? I think I interpreted it as they bringing a car to show to potential buyers, sort of like Bailey did in 2012.
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Was that actually the statement? I think I interpreted it as they bringing a car to show to potential buyers, sort of like Bailey did in 2012.
Correct. No one has said it will run in a race in 2014, least of all the Perrin team.
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I thought they were "hoping" to run it? IE. looking for funding. I am pretty sure all privateer LMP1 entries would be accepted at this point.
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All the info is here.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/111478

No one came in for 2014 so they opted to update the car so they can showcase it to customers at Le Mans next year. Not race it.
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