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Old 6 Aug 2020, 08:24 (Ref:3993272)   #286
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Then again Pirelli are not competing against anyone, they are merely supplying a spec component and specifying its life. (Incorrectly apparently)
It looks like they did not allow enough for the high temperatures at the circuit, and simply got it wrong. Perhaps they did not expect the cars to change so early in the race, so had drawn up the life for a lighter fuel load, again, they got the window wrong.
again, that’s all stuff teams will have seen in their modelling and tests. you adjust tyre pressures to suit track temperature even before they’re out of the blankets, that’s what the tyre guys do with themselves once everything is fitted..

tyres are the only component they evidently don’t “life” militarily. why? they can blame someone else for failures because they’re given guidelines.
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Old 6 Aug 2020, 08:33 (Ref:3993273)   #287
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again, that’s all stuff teams will have seen in their modelling and tests. you adjust tyre pressures to suit track temperature even before they’re out of the blankets, that’s what the tyre guys do with themselves once everything is fitted..

tyres are the only component they evidently don’t “life” militarily. why? they can blame someone else for failures because they’re given guidelines.
The tyre pressures, cambers and maximum stint lengths are all specified in mandatory guidelines supplied by Pirelli Bella. So they are run within the parameters specified by the supplier, militarily.
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yes. it's not my first rodeo.

just because pirelli say you can do it doesn't mean you should do it. it's an operating window.
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yes. it's not my first rodeo.

just because pirelli say you can do it doesn't mean you should do it. it's an operating window.
I have never treated you as if it was Bella.

Just for the sake of clarity.

Pirelli's window for the tyres was 50 laps.

The failures occurred:

Kvyat 12 laps
Bottas 37 laps
Sainz 38 laps
Hamilton 39 laps
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Old 7 Aug 2020, 05:35 (Ref:3993454)   #290
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Pirelli are saying Kvyat's tyre failure was caused by the inside of the wheel rim overheating but there is no explanation as to why it overheated.

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Pirelli are saying Kvyat's tyre failure was caused by the inside of the wheel rim overheating but there is no explanation as to why it overheated.

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Hope one of the journalists is busy following this up with RBR.
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So I'm way late to the conversation, but why are people upset at the tire situation? Everyone could see the line on bottas' especially laps before it failed. Either back off or pit or have what happened happen. It was drama, intrigue, strategy, excitement. We want less of that? Aren't ecu's a spec part? And dont they fail from time to time? Why isn't that generating pages of complaints? It happens.

Also, good to see that horseshoe is still firmly planted in Hamilton's rear. Both cars have tire failure, one happens on pit straight, other further along the lap. One finishes 11th, the other 1st. I get that luck is improved by putting yourself in the best situations and being an all time great, but cmon...

Wasn't it at Silverstone last year that both he and bottas spun on same corner, but bottas hit wall and hamilton didn't, and went on to win? And the ex driver commentator said both spins were identical and was down to luck as to whether they hit the wall. Dude is just charmed in all circumstances, best driver or not.

So it looks like it wasn't a gasly problem last year, but a "max verstappens teammate" problem. He just trounces whoever they put there.

Also, saw some criticism of Vettel, but he lost almost 2 whole sessions with car issues. Plus, I'm sure he's not getting the first priority in anything as far as common parts right now. And I wouldn't blame him for being disinterested.

Stroll performing so well just goes to show me that f1 isn't close to the 20 elite drivers on the planet, unless by elite, you mean rich. Its nurture over nature imo.

I recently began listening to a podcast by david samson who used to be the president of the florida Marlins (baseball team here in US). He goes into the front office thinking of things. He said that players association reps for the union are picked by who's either lowest on seniority or who is least liked in the clubhouse. Nobody wants it. Couldn't help but snicker after hearing them say grosjean is the drivers rep. Makes sense to me. One of the lesser drivers who certainly wasn't well liked or respected in this race!
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Hope one of the journalists is busy following this up with RBR.
Let's hope they get Woodward and Bernstein onto this.
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Old 7 Aug 2020, 19:03 (Ref:3993623)   #294
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Let's hope they get Woodward and Bernstein onto this.
Tyregate?
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I'm surprised we've not had that. Or Perezgate, brakeductgate, Vettelgate. Everyone has a conspiracy theory, it saves thinking.
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I can't wait for an actual gate to be involved in a scandal so it can be Gategate. Gate Squared, if you will.
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I can't wait for an actual gate to be involved in a scandal so it can be Gategate. Gate Squared, if you will.
Ooooh.... like at le mans, they lower the garage door or "gate" and are classified as "out" or "dnf" but then come back out hours later?
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