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Old 22 Dec 2019, 23:48 (Ref:3948124)   #91
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The World Championship was awarded to F2 for a couple of years, despite F1 races still taking place in those years.

Why would awarding the Gold Star to Formula Vee necessarily be a bad thing? CAMS aren’t issuing the title at the moment, but Formula Vee has been around for donkeys, provides great racing and still attracts plenty of competitors

The main point is shouldn’t the ATCC be a name that is used by whomever has the title in their hands? What is the point of Supercars having it when they do not use or promote one of Australian racing’s most prestigious titles?

Genuine question, does Scott McLaughlin even know he is the “Australian Touring Car Champion”?
I'm fully aware of the 1952 & 1953 seasons - nearly 70 years ago and not done since.

Awarding Gold Star to F Vee would only make sense if F Ford, F3, S5000 didn't exist - the peak drivers award should be in the peak series, motor racing being a pyramid as it heads upwards.

The main point is that the ATCC be awarded to the winner of the premier touring car competition in the country. What is the point of a series other than Supercars having it when that series is not the premier series and awarding the title to a lesser series denigrates one of Australian racing's most prestigious titles?

Don't know Scott McLaughlin personally but given that he as twice been presented with the ATCC trophy and attended CAMS awards nights to receive it, I reckon that he knows.
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Old 23 Dec 2019, 00:52 (Ref:3948130)   #92
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As does the FIA with DTM, which I believe stands for Deutche TouringCar Masters
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Tourenwagen , which translates to English as Touring Car. Yeah, both DTM and VASA are classed as touring cars by the FIA - cheers E.B!!
Which I always found to be a bit daft - a DTM car is a touring car, a Super GT car is a GT car....but they share the exact same tech regs.

What's in a name?
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Old 23 Dec 2019, 04:32 (Ref:3948142)   #93
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Guess it’s as much about the body on top as the mechanicals when it comes to how the car is classified?
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I'm fully aware of the 1952 & 1953 seasons - nearly 70 years ago and not done since.

Awarding Gold Star to F Vee would only make sense if F Ford, F3, S5000 didn't exist - the peak drivers award should be in the peak series, motor racing being a pyramid as it heads upwards.

The main point is that the ATCC be awarded to the winner of the premier touring car competition in the country. What is the point of a series other than Supercars having it when that series is not the premier series and awarding the title to a lesser series denigrates one of Australian racing's most prestigious titles?

Don't know Scott McLaughlin personally but given that he as twice been presented with the ATCC trophy and attended CAMS awards nights to receive it, I reckon that he knows.
So you are perfectly happy for a title that was once the most recognised title in Australian Motorsport, and as you acknowledge to still be one of Australia’s most prestigious titles, now be a second string award that is not promoted and barely mentioned by the series that receives it. Does that not denigrate it further, the fact it is a secondary award to the Supercars Championship now?

If it was so prestigious, why don’t Supercars promote and use the name as the forefront? They obviously don’t see value in the name over their own brand, just in referencing statistics on the telecast.

Who cares if it’s not the ‘peak’ series that has the title, at least the non-peak series might be using the name and giving it a sense of priority, which Supercars currently do not.
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Old 23 Dec 2019, 11:01 (Ref:3948182)   #95
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Nothing 2nd string about it - the winner of the main game is awarded the ATCC, as they should be.

It was and still is prestigious - hence the winner of the main game being awarded the ATCC.

Awarding the ATCC to anything other than the peak series would be a complete joke and denigrate the history of the title - as it has always been about the peak touring car series in the country. Giving the title to the winner of a (currently) 2nd string series, regardless of whether that series used the ATCC name or not, would dishonour the memory of those who have previously been awarded the title.
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Yeah, I know - but then what would be the fun of staying fully on topic all the time?
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Some people here seem to think a "touring car" in context has to be production based but to me at least it means a car with a roof.
A touring car is whatever the regulations decide is a touring car. The designation of what a touring car is, is not set in stone.
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There has been little news of drivers for 2020 - HMO have announced that negotiations are continuing.

Only some of the private entries have been comfirmed to date AFAIK.
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Old 17 Jan 2020, 02:53 (Ref:3952037)   #100
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Good to see Morgan Park get the nod for QLD based round.

Should be a good circuit for the cars.
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Speedcafe reporting that Kelly racing will be sitting out the 2020 TCR season.
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I am sure in the next day or two we will hear a press release of someone else running these cars.

Another contractor like KR or a real team, who knows.
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Old mate who's apparently the Australian agent for the car's constructor Lubner, has been quiet.

Made a whole lot of noise earlier this year, but nothing since. Hasn't even imported a car.
Pardon my ignorance, but who is the agent/has the import rights for the Astras? Is this why no team has stepped up to take them over?
They seem to be quite quick and reliable now.
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Old 31 Jan 2020, 05:28 (Ref:3954664)   #102
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The Garage1 Cupra that Mr Brook drove at the end of last season is now up for sale.
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Wall Racing to prepare a car for All-Inkl WTCR team owner Rene Munnich to drive, in the Asia Pacific Cup.
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Sebastien Loeb racing out of WTCR off the back of VW not updating their car for 2020.

https://www.touringcartimes.com/2020...irm-wtcr-exit/

Really not good news for the "all conquering" TCR category. Unfortunately as effectively the foundation manufacturer for TCR, losing VAG is a pretty big blow and it may trigger other people re-assessing their involvement, and this electric motorsport is splintering categories worldwide.

Some strong drivers in their lineup and I enjoyed watching them.
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Sebastien Loeb racing out of WTCR off the back of VW not updating their car for 2020.

https://www.touringcartimes.com/2020...irm-wtcr-exit/

Really not good news for the "all conquering" TCR category. Unfortunately as effectively the foundation manufacturer for TCR, losing VAG is a pretty big blow and it may trigger other people re-assessing their involvement, and this electric motorsport is splintering categories worldwide.

Some strong drivers in their lineup and I enjoyed watching them.

They Havent lost VAG Completely, SEAT are still in TCR and introducing a new car for 2020.
TBH it never really made much since having 3 brands from the same group having works entries in the same series.
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