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Old 13 Nov 2019, 03:55 (Ref:3940301)   #16
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What changed in the correlation was the question. Obviously you are going to refresh the valve train before the most important race of the year.
Wouldn't that require the engine to be resealed. If I remember correctly (haven't time check now) Todd Kelly explained something to that extent.
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Old 13 Nov 2019, 06:11 (Ref:3940309)   #17
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Wouldn't that require the engine to be resealed. If I remember correctly (haven't time check now) Todd Kelly explained something to that extent.
The engine was tested and sealed by Supercars
The spec sheet that Supercars generated for the engine before qualifying was withing the limits.

The engine was then changed because it was dropping water into the combustion chambers.

Supercars has confirmed that they could only do 2 runs on the Dyno before getting water vapour present, and the engine produced no more than the specified power.
Was the minute increase in lift caused by the overheating?
Why do Supercars measurements differ between sealing the engine and breaking their own seals to re-open it?

Why would the specs have changed?

Looks like Supercars didn't like what happened at Bathurst and set about a witch hunt to try and disqualify DJR.

Seems as stupid as it just brings the whole sport into disrepute and damages their own brand.
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Old 13 Nov 2019, 07:27 (Ref:3940315)   #18
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Yep - Supercars have made a complete mess of the series this year, and this Q engine folly appears to be the icing on the cake.

It might net them an easy $30k for the wine fund, but at what cost to the series and their own brand?
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Old 13 Nov 2019, 07:36 (Ref:3940319)   #19
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Yep - Supercars have made a complete mess of the series this year, and this Q engine folly appears to be the icing on the cake.

It might net them an easy $30k for the wine fund, but at what cost to the series and their own brand?
Roland Dane and RBR have introduced a toxic culture into pit-lane and supercars need to address this very quickly.
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Old 13 Nov 2019, 07:38 (Ref:3940321)   #20
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Yep - Supercars have made a complete mess of the series this year, and this Q engine folly appears to be the icing on the cake.

It might net them an easy $30k for the wine fund, but at what cost to the series and their own brand?
You do realise that the fines go to CAMS, right?

Listening to the Below The Bonnet podcast is interesting as the lads ring an engine builder - everyone who is sceptical should hear that call.

I had limited understanding before I heard it and a mass of questions afterwards.

Disclaimer: I'm about the category, rather than individual teams and my feelings would not change irrespective of the team caught out
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You do realise that the fines go to CAMS, right?
if people we smart enough to realise that it would ruin their illusion of thinking that Roland runs everything
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Old 13 Nov 2019, 21:28 (Ref:3940482)   #22
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You do realise that the fines go to CAMS, right?
Indeed; however the main point being missed is DJRTP are currently a soft target, in that they will readily pay fines for trivial and other matters at this stage in the game.

Anyone else, without a Bathurst win and a Championship and.a Teams' championship to risk, would challenge/appeal/litigate against such nonsense.
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Can other teams appeal a decision?

For example, Barry Ryan was quite animated about Penske retaining the Bathurst win.

Roland has been, by his standards, rather quiet throughout. Is Penske his exit strategy?
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Can other teams appeal a decision?

For example, Barry Ryan was quite animated about Penske retaining the Bathurst win.

Roland has been, by his standards, rather quiet throughout. Is Penske his exit strategy?
Roland is being quiet because he and some mates want the value of Supercars to drop.
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Roland has been, by his standards, rather quiet throughout. Is Penske his exit strategy?
People in glass houses...?
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The bloke is absolutely toxic, he's been on the wide world of sports in the last couple of days complaining, he just can't accept the umpires decision and supercars will just let him get away with it, he's bad for the sport.
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The engine was tested and sealed by Supercars
The spec sheet that Supercars generated for the engine before qualifying was withing the limits.

The engine was then changed because it was dropping water into the combustion chambers.

Supercars has confirmed that they could only do 2 runs on the Dyno before getting water vapour present, and the engine produced no more than the specified power.
Was the minute increase in lift caused by the overheating?
Why do Supercars measurements differ between sealing the engine and breaking their own seals to re-open it?

Why would the specs have changed?

Looks like Supercars didn't like what happened at Bathurst and set about a witch hunt to try and disqualify DJR.

Seems as stupid as it just brings the whole sport into disrepute and damages their own brand.
Agree - seems silly to disallow something that you(tech inspectors) had allowed/approved.
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The bloke is absolutely toxic, he's been on the wide world of sports in the last couple of days complaining, he just can't accept the umpires decision and supercars will just let him get away with it, he's bad for the sport.
He brought professionalism to the sport I would have thought.
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Over 300 exams make Scott McLaughlin’s Ford Mustang most scutinised car in V8 history

James Phelps, The Sunday Telegraph
November 17, 2019 2:49pm

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Scott McLaughlin's all-conquering and highly controversial Ford Mustang has been subjected to an unprecedented 325 technical checks this year to make it the most scrutinised car in the sport.

Having everything from window thickness, wing angle and ride-height measured to the millimetre by Supercars officials, the record-breaking Ford has been tested 132 more times than Shane van *Gisbergen’s Commodore.

And the DJR Team Penske Mustang has passed every test except one — the bombshell Bathurst engine fault that has left rivals calling for McLaughlin’s Mount Panorama win to be stripped.



Dick Johnson insists Scott McLaughlin title win is not tainted.

Leaked technical reports prove beyond doubt that McLaughlin and DJR Team Penske have been compliant for every other race of the season in a revelation that V8 legend Dick Johnson claims should dismiss any suggestion that the Kiwi whiz-kid’s latest championship crown is tainted.


“Nothing anyone says can take away from what our drivers and our team have achieved,” Johnson said.

“The team has done an incredible job and no one can take that away from them.”
McLaughlin’s sister car — driven by Fabian Coulthard — has also been put through 161 separate checks to make DJR Team Penske the most tested team in Supercars with a total of 486.

The second-most-tested team has been the Holden Red Bull Racing Team with van Gisbergen and Whincup’s Commodores combing for a total of 379 inspections.

The sport’s greatest living legend, Johnson claimed he had not seen a car tested as much as the Mustang during his 50 years in the V8 paddock.


The #17 Shell V-Power Racing Ford has come under some serious scrutiny.

The Mustang has been subjected to a series of searching checks at every round, including the Bathurst 1000 where every nut and bolt was stripped from the Mount *Panorama winner.

“When you win lots of races, you get checked by the scrutineers,’’ Johnson said.

“That’s been the case since Adam was a boy. What we’ve seen in 2019 has been another level of scrutiny, and in over 450 checks we failed once. And that check was done on a rooted engine.”

McLaughlin refused to celebrate winning his second consecutive championship last week after he was stripped of his Bathurst qualifying and top-ten shoot out wins for using an engine that did not comply with Supercars specifications.

The Bathurst bombshell has raised questions about the legality of championship winning car at other rounds.

Johnson was adamant the Bathurst engine fault was a one off and the technical reports obtained by The Sunday Telegraph support his claim.


McLaughlin wasn’t stripped of his Bathurst title despite the illegality.“

The Bathurst stuff shouldn’t have happened and we’ve paid the price,’’ Johnson said.

“We’ve been checked way more than any other team in pit lane and had not one other issue. We made a mistake, we’ve paid the penalty.’’

DJR Team Penske have also been forced to make three separate go-slow changes to the Mustang this year after Supercars deemed a lack of parity between the Ford and the other makes.

“On top of all the scrutineering, we’ve had to make three separate parity changes to our cars across the season,’’ Johnsons said.

“And our rivals have had two each — so you’re talking seven changes since we started going racing in March. I’ve been at the top of our game, on the bottom and now back on top again. It hasn't always been easy, but this year has certainly been a roller coaster ride.’’

McLaughlin has vowed to celebrate winning his second V8 crown at the Newcastle 500, beginning this week, after his Sandown party was crashed by the Bathurst engine charge that also saw the team fined $30,000.

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