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Old 10 Dec 2019, 23:52 (Ref:3946039)   #16
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The 888 Acadia should look great on the grid in 2022!
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Old 11 Dec 2019, 04:14 (Ref:3946062)   #17
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As long as there's still TC racing in Aus I guess I'll have to keep putting up with you all

We long since took out the V8 moniker. Evolution is everything.
How did the open wheeler decision go?

Why was it necessary to add a second thread for basically the same topic? Did the excitement of it all cause brain fade?

Moving right along and I don't know which thread to post this in so the mods may want to move it, here goes some of my thoughts on the matter...

It is glaringly obvious that SCA has been caught totally without any plan as there has been no reaction at all, what a shambles and they will get everything they deserve. As for the the two car parity, everything must be even mania which they have used up to now has been shown to be a failure when other makes try to participate so I doubt that thinking can be carried forward. Parity as it has been applied up to now was easy for a two car series but add multiple manufacturers to the mix and it goes down the gurgler. If it is a silhouette series manufacturers will not participate either and to make the problem even more complicated large cheap sedans such as the Falcon & Holden no longer exist and I can't see smaller family sedans existing in large numbers for very much longer either.

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Old 11 Dec 2019, 06:37 (Ref:3946072)   #18
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It is absolutely incredible that if you look at the Supercars .com site that as of this time there is NO mention of the Commodore finishing.

How incredibly HEAD IN THE SAND is this!
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Old 11 Dec 2019, 07:20 (Ref:3946076)   #19
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It's interesting to see Holden killing off cars that aren't SUV/4x4. Recently saw a Cadillac CTS-V bodied test car driving around with a a current spec Caddy, Camaro and VF Commodore. The Caddy test car while had a camouflage scheme, I did manage to see a small Holden logo on it and the guy driving had a Holden logo on his shirt. So it was assumed that the CT5 would be the latest iteration of imported Commodore.

Wonder if Mr. Walkinshaw will take over and bring it in as a HSV spec and badged machine?
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Old 11 Dec 2019, 07:48 (Ref:3946079)   #20
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Statement from Supercars CEO here.

He's quite right that the Commodore will be in the racing program until the end of 2021 but I thought it would be a good moment to salute the model and its history in supercars and before.

Reading between the lines to an extent, with his reference to working with Holden and Ford re the Gen 3 cars for 2022, it feels like the Commodore announcement hasn't come as a big surprise.
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Old 11 Dec 2019, 08:02 (Ref:3946081)   #21
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Won't all the redundant Commodores running around at the end of 2021 start to make the series look, in Roland Dane's words, "like a used car lot".
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Old 11 Dec 2019, 09:19 (Ref:3946089)   #22
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It's interesting to see Holden killing off cars that aren't SUV/4x4. Recently saw a Cadillac CTS-V bodied test car driving around with a a current spec Caddy, Camaro and VF Commodore. The Caddy test car while had a camouflage scheme, I did manage to see a small Holden logo on it and the guy driving had a Holden logo on his shirt. So it was assumed that the CT5 would be the latest iteration of imported Commodore.
It is funny, I saw this driving around in Melbourne too.
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Old 12 Dec 2019, 00:02 (Ref:3946235)   #23
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Statement from Supercars CEO here.
Stating the obvious and it is fairly clear that they have not got a plan in place when even the fans knew it was inevitable. Head in the sand stuff!! That press release is a knee jerk reaction to a phone call. Managers are supposed to be clever people and actually do some thinking & planning. If they had any contingency plan in place it would have been at least hinted at.

I am glad that Mike Raymond did not live to see this and Larry Perkin's comments would be golden.
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Old 12 Dec 2019, 04:04 (Ref:3946249)   #24
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It's interesting to see Holden killing off cars that aren't SUV/4x4. Recently saw a Cadillac CTS-V bodied test car driving around with a a current spec Caddy, Camaro and VF Commodore. The Caddy test car while had a camouflage scheme, I did manage to see a small Holden logo on it and the guy driving had a Holden logo on his shirt. So it was assumed that the CT5 would be the latest iteration of imported Commodore.

Wonder if Mr. Walkinshaw will take over and bring it in as a HSV spec and badged machine?

Just doing calibration work for the Middle East markets I believe. The Caddy would be very expensive once landed against the European and Japanese medium luxury opposition but might sell in small numbers as a niche import. Definitely not a Commodore replacement. Have driven Caddy ATS/CTS/STS and DTS as rentals but none of the new series yet.
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Old 12 Dec 2019, 04:52 (Ref:3946252)   #25
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Stating the obvious and it is fairly clear that they have not got a plan in place when even the fans knew it was inevitable. Head in the sand stuff!! That press release is a knee jerk reaction to a phone call. Managers are supposed to be clever people and actually do some thinking & planning. If they had any contingency plan in place it would have been at least hinted at.

I am glad that Mike Raymond did not live to see this and Larry Perkin's comments would be golden.
And still NO mention on the Supercars site that this has happened!

Talk about putting your head in the sand.......
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Old 12 Dec 2019, 04:53 (Ref:3946253)   #26
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German 4cyl FWD rubbish
Just because a car is a German 4cyl FWD doesn't mean it's rubbish, both the VW Golf GTI and VW Passat are much loved, as are the Ford Fiesta ST and Ford Focus ST, also the Mini Cooper, Clubman and Countryman plus the equivalent BMW 1 series (the new FWD)... All engineered in Germany and all very nice cars.

As the BMW 1 series moving from RWD to FWD shows, most drivers have no need for RWD.
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Old 12 Dec 2019, 06:30 (Ref:3946264)   #27
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The German Commodore is a more than competent well made and well engineered alternative to the Mondeo, Camry, Sonata , Optima, Mazda6 & such. But buyers weren' t given a reason to buy one. Have you seen the Skoda Superb Sportline for around $50k ?
The problem is that a german Commodore couldn't be marketed as Holdens image has always been based around it's Australian-ness.
There was also no halo car from HSV to give the current model a performance image. With the previous model the mainstream SV6 looked like the little brother of the SSV8.
Ford has a range of competent cars & a mixed bunch of SUV's but still only sells Mustangs in any volume. And that number is going down.
They have also had the Ranger to take on the Hilux very successfully.
Holden have had a sub-standard range of Daewoos and Chevs unsuccessfully trading on the rugged Holden image for decades now. Vehicles such as the Epica, Malibu and Acadia were answers to questions nobody was asking in the first place.
Its all well and good to say that the future is all SUV's and Light Trucks as thats where the action is but not enough people want or need the poor range of vehicles offered in this class by the Red lion.
What happens to the Corvette now after the Camaro has failed to open wallets with its exorbitant pricing compared to the Mustang ?
This is a nightmare for dealers , some of whom have been burnt not too many years ago by the sudden axing of the Opel range.
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Old 12 Dec 2019, 14:03 (Ref:3946314)   #28
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It is funny, I saw this driving around in Melbourne too.
I saw it in a fairly small town called Glen Innes in Northern NSW.
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Just because a car is a German 4cyl FWD doesn't mean it's rubbish, both the VW Golf GTI and VW Passat are much loved, as are the Ford Fiesta ST and Ford Focus ST, also the Mini Cooper, Clubman and Countryman plus the equivalent BMW 1 series (the new FWD)... All engineered in Germany and all very nice cars.

As the BMW 1 series moving from RWD to FWD shows, most drivers have no need for RWD.
they missed the target completely in Australia - Australians are buying twin cab/SUV more than anything
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