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Old 13 Dec 2019, 02:01 (Ref:3946425)   #31
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He's never short of an opinion, and that video is ugly viewing for anyone associated with Holden. The future would appear grim.
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Old 13 Dec 2019, 02:08 (Ref:3946427)   #32
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He's the dip s**** to quote his own words, after that I figured the rest wasn't worth my time and had a snooze. People actually subscribe to his videos, really? The internet takes all the blame for inflicting him on the rest of the world, such a good example of Australian opinion.
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Old 13 Dec 2019, 05:32 (Ref:3946446)   #33
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Just like you (just sprouted) he is entitled to his
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Old 13 Dec 2019, 18:17 (Ref:3946590)   #34
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I listened to it and found that most of it was fact, Holden is at the very bottom of the GM food chain, the local CEO can talk it up as much as he likes but he is just a puppet on a string with no real say and no real direction. Holden to GM is worthless in the whole scheme of things as they no longer derive any income from here much the same as Opel and Vauxhall were just a milestone around the GM neck.
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Old 13 Dec 2019, 20:56 (Ref:3946614)   #35
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I listened to it and found that most of it was fact, Holden is at the very bottom of the GM food chain, the local CEO can talk it up as much as he likes but he is just a puppet on a string with no real say and no real direction. Holden to GM is worthless in the whole scheme of things as they no longer derive any income from here much the same as Opel and Vauxhall were just a milestone around the GM neck.
He's been right in his thoughts on Holden's direction so far; and is predicting Holden will be gone in 2020.

Time will tell, soon enough.
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Old 14 Dec 2019, 09:21 (Ref:3946656)   #36
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You guys actually watch this bloke...seriously?
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Old 14 Dec 2019, 10:22 (Ref:3946667)   #37
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You guys actually watch this bloke...seriously?
I didn't give him a click, he is an utter flog and if Holden had ads he would be singing their praises..
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The writing was on the wall for the "Commodore" when GM sold Opel and Vauxhall to Peugeot. That platform was dead man walking. Peugeot made Opel/Vauxhall profitable this year after 20 years of losses being run by GM. Goes to show what a crummy company GM is.

Holden now is a five wheel to GM, not sure how long it's going to last.
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Old 15 Dec 2019, 09:39 (Ref:3946809)   #39
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Fairfax article suggesting some of the reasons why the Commodore failed, including racing fans buying vehicles other than the one they 'support':

https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/bus...13-p53jw0.html
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Fairfax article suggesting some of the reasons why the Commodore failed, including racing fans buying vehicles other than the one they 'support':

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I wouldnt suggest the commodore "Failed" its been a very successful model over the journey. Times change

DO you think the falcon failed?
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I think part of it is probably driven on Peugeot's end, regardless of sales, to get rid of a legacy platform from Opel's previous owner and transition everything to Peugeot platforms just as they are doing with the new Astra.
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Old 15 Dec 2019, 15:45 (Ref:3946865)   #42
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I think part of it is probably driven on Peugeot's end, regardless of sales, to get rid of a legacy platform from Opel's previous owner and transition everything to Peugeot platforms just as they are doing with the new Astra.
Opel Insignia is still sold in Europe.
But I assume the business case to buy a PSA owned modell and sell it as a Holden is even bad when sales numbers would be ok.
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Both Ford and Holden failed for similar reasons, failure to read the market changes was one. That Ford has been a success as an importer is down to one model, the Ranger, without that it would be a dead duck or close to where Holden is now. I can't see their European offerings selling in sufficient numbers to ensure otherwise and the Mustang has falling sales as we speak. Looking at things in that light makes Ford a one trick pony so to speak.
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Over 24,000 Mustangs sold, so not too bad. Of course it was always going to be a limited market, it ain't a family car is it?
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Both Ford and Holden failed for similar reasons, failure to read the market changes was one. That Ford has been a success as an importer is down to one model, the Ranger, without that it would be a dead duck or close to where Holden is now. I can't see their European offerings selling in sufficient numbers to ensure otherwise and the Mustang has falling sales as we speak. Looking at things in that light makes Ford a one trick pony so to speak.
Actually, Ford preempted the market trend for SUV's when they produced the Territory.
And to a lesser extent, Holden had a bit of a stab in the same area by offering 4x4 derivatives of the VY range.

But you're right in alluding to there being many reasons why local manufacturing became unsustainable.

Ford however had a better product range to offer as an importer, at the post-local production changeover point.

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Over 24,000 Mustangs sold, so not too bad. Of course it was always going to be a limited market, it ain't a family car is it?
Yep; Ford have got two niche markets covered, with the Mustang being a solid player in the sports car sector.

Unfortunately for Holden, their plan B was relying on brand loyalty, in particular to cloak the Commodore to Insignia switcharoo tactic.
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