[Official] Russian Grand Prix 2020: Grand Prix Weekend Thread - Round 10

[ascarracinguk]

Originally Posted by Akrapovic

I think Adams post was tongue firmly in cheek

I’m never quite sure HAHAHAHA....smileys help!

[Akrapovic]

Originally Posted by ascarracinguk

Well it is a bit ridiculous when track limits, speed limits, restart areas etc etc are defined to the mm or kph that the race directors notes don’t specify an exact area do do the starts...

...I’m not defending Hamilton, rule broken got a penalty which is fair enough

They do paint a single grid slot there. And every other car did it there. And Lewis did question it, so he knew.

If this was Perez or Albon nobody would care. But because it's Lewis it'll be a 45 page conspiracy theory. People who claim the rules are not written well enough and how could Lewis possibly have known arguing with people who think Lewis is scum and not any good and should dress better about it until the end of time.

[Adam43]

Originally Posted by Akrapovic

I think Adams post was tongue firmly in cheek

Apart from the bit about Pedro.

[ascarracinguk]

Originally Posted by Akrapovic

They do paint a single grid slot there. And every other car did it there. And Lewis did question it, so he knew.

If this was Perez or Albon nobody would care. But because it's Lewis it'll be a 45 page conspiracy theory. People who claim the rules are not written well enough and how could Lewis possibly have known arguing with people who think Lewis is scum and not any good and should dress better about it until the end of time.

To be fair, Grosjean doesn’t invoke the same passion in fans for some reason :-p

It’s no different to Max, Vettel or other sports like football....you will always get tinfoil hattery when ‘interesting’ decisions are made by the judiciary.

You say no one has done it, but again, leclerc did it in spa did he not?

Not trying to defend Hamilton here, he deserved the penalty but clearly if you’re going to penilise a driver over something then make the rules crystal clear

[Anyopenroad]

Originally Posted by Akrapovic

But because it's Lewis it'll be a 45 page conspiracy theory. People who claim the rules are not written well enough and how could Lewis possibly have known arguing with people who think Lewis is scum and not any good and should dress better about it until the end of time.

Hmmm you might be seeing something I'm not, but I haven't actually seen any such argument this time! The regulations as posted above are a little ambiguous but no-one else seemed to have any problem with it so this just seems to be an example of Merc shooting themselves in the foot.

[Knowlesy]

Originally Posted by mark_l

https://www.fia.com/sites/default/fi...ce%20Start.pdf

https://www.fia.com/sites/default/fi...ce%20Start.pdf

Penalty points now removed from HAM.

Team fined 25,000 Euro

I think this is the right thing to do.

Hamilton has racked up a substantial amount of penalty points that I would deem really quite soft to be honest. Whereas acts of sheer lunacy (Sainz today for example) get nothing or the same amount.

It would be extremely silly if he was to miss a race if you look at his crime sheet so I am glad this has been altered. The penalty in the race was extremely harsh on its own, although it changed the result little as Lewis had shot himself in the foot on Saturday already.

[bjohnsonsmith]

In this interview with Natalie Pinkham, Lewis says they are trying to stop him.

https://www.skysports.com/f1/news/24...1acZtjXcux8BUo

[ascarracinguk]

Originally Posted by bjohnsonsmith

In this interview with Natalie Pinkham, Lewis says they are trying to stop him.

https://www.skysports.com/f1/news/24...1acZtjXcux8BUo

Yes we’ve already all seen this, and it’s been brought up a few times on this thread already. Pi$$ed off driver says things in the heat of the moment....shock horror!

Won’t be the first, won’t be the last.....it’s not like Max and Vettel haven’t criticised stewards in the past Have they....not sure I saw the same level of criticism from fans for them though ;-)

[Knowlesy]

Tell you what though, I can't wait for the Daily Mail's take on it.

[ascarracinguk]

Originally Posted by Knowlesy

Tell you what though, I can't wait for the Daily Mail's take on it.

Lmao!!!!!! Ohhhh the knuckledraggers will be our in force.

[bjohnsonsmith]

Originally Posted by ascarracinguk

Yes we’ve already all seen this, and it’s been brought up a few times on this thread already. Pi$$ed off driver says things in the heat of the moment....shock horror!

Won’t be the first, won’t be the last.....it’s not like Max and Vettel haven’t criticised stewards in the past Have they....not sure I saw the same level of criticism from fans for them though ;-)

I'm sorry if everyone has already seen all this. Was that the wrong thing to do? No one had actually posted a link with Lewis saying, they were trying to stop him, so I thought it might be a good idea to see it straight from the horses mouth, so to speak.

[ascarracinguk]

Originally Posted by bjohnsonsmith

I'm sorry if everyone has already seen all this. Was that the wrong thing to do? No one had actually posted a link with Lewis saying, they were trying to stop him, so I thought it might be a good idea to see it straight from the horses mouth, so to speak.

Lol you can do what you wish, but since it’s been mentioned several times already I’d have thought people had got the gist by now.

Anyway, I’m out. Time for IMSA :-)

[bjohnsonsmith]

Originally Posted by ascarracinguk

Lol you can do what you wish, but since you’ve mentioned it several times already I’d have thought people had got the gist by now.

Anyway, I’m out. Time for IMSA :-)

I'm sure everyone has got the gist, I just thought people might be interested in reading Lewis's actual comments.

[Biscuits In A Red Bull]

Originally Posted by bjohnsonsmith

I'm sure everyone has got the gist, I just thought people might be interested in reading Lewis's actual comments.

It's ok, he's not defending Lewis. Thanks for the link.

[Adam43]

Originally Posted by bjohnsonsmith

In this interview with Natalie Pinkham, Lewis says they are trying to stop him.

https://www.skysports.com/f1/news/24...1acZtjXcux8BUo

Hadn’t seen that

Man he’s got the paranoia.

It seems a normal human response in such situations.

[ascarracinguk]

I don’t quite understand the latest statement from the FIA over removing Hamilton’s penalty points

“The Stewards received information from the team that the driver of car 44 had received a team instruction to perform the practice start in the incorrect place,” read the FIA stewards' statement.


“This was confirmed by the stewards having listened to the audio between the team and the driver.

“Based on this information the stewards replace document 47 with this decision and therefore remove the penalty points imposed.”


Surely they had access to the radio messages just as we did at the start of the race, or are they admitting that they didn’t listen to the audio and didn’t investigate the incident properly? If they did have the audio then why give the points then rescind them?

[peebee2]

The driver is legally bound to know the rules. Shouldn’t matter what his team told him.

[greentrumpet]

First time in a long time I've seen Hamilton look so dejected. The penalty seemed harsh and 2 points for another "nothing" crime smacks of another artificial way to spice up the sport. LH is the best driver of his generation and this sort of treatment sucks. Glad the points have been removed at least.
Also Grosjean escapes penalty for saying (on one trip of 3) sod the run off rules, I don't trust my driving enough to get through that gap, I'll just smash the polystyrene. Yet Ricciardo gets spanked for being punted off by his team-mate? Makes me want to see Perez with Ocon at Renault next year just to see the punch ups!

[Adam43]

Originally Posted by peebee2

The driver is legally bound to know the rules. Shouldn’t matter what his team told him.

Legally bound!

I agree the driver should know the rules. However if the team tell you to do something, as there are more of them and they are in a less pressure situation and it's their job to know it even more, you do what they say.

[Adam43]

Originally Posted by ascarracinguk

I don’t quite understand the latest statement from the FIA over removing Hamilton’s penalty points

“The Stewards received information from the team that the driver of car 44 had received a team instruction to perform the practice start in the incorrect place,” read the FIA stewards' statement.


“This was confirmed by the stewards having listened to the audio between the team and the driver.

“Based on this information the stewards replace document 47 with this decision and therefore remove the penalty points imposed.”


Surely they had access to the radio messages just as we did at the start of the race, or are they admitting that they didn’t listen to the audio and didn’t investigate the incident properly? If they did have the audio then why give the points then rescind them?

Well you could argue that it is still right to give him the penalty in the race as it doesn't matter if it is the team or driver, but it is harsh to give penalty points on the driver licence if instructed by the team.

[bjohnsonsmith]

Originally Posted by Adam43

Well you could argue that it is still right to give him the penalty in the race as it doesn't matter if it is the team or driver, but it is harsh to give penalty points on the driver licence if instructed by the team.

I think it's harsh and I'm pleased to see they have recinded the points and fined the team €25,000 instead.

[ascarracinguk]

Originally Posted by Adam43

Well you could argue that it is still right to give him the penalty in the race as it doesn't matter if it is the team or driver, but it is harsh to give penalty points on the driver licence if instructed by the team.

Oh I agree with the penalty, I’m just trying to work out how the stewards removed the penalty points. Their ‘excuse’ is that when they listened to the radio message they basically laid some blame on the team.....so why didn’t they come to that conclusion in the first place.....we’d all heard the message live, so they must have had the audio too. Either they didn’t investigate properly or ignored the audio. Just find it bizarre

[Tourer]

Originally Posted by ascarracinguk

Oh I agree with the penalty, I’m just trying to work out how the stewards removed the penalty points. Their ‘excuse’ is that when they listened to the radio message they basically laid some blame on the team.....so why didn’t they come to that conclusion in the first place.....we’d all heard the message live, so they must have had the audio too. Either they didn’t investigate properly or ignored the audio. Just find it bizarre

I would suggest that they ignored the audio on making the decision, either that or reconsidered it after receiving a message from the team. With the race starting / about to start, they'd want to look at key evidence (which wouldn't include the radio convo as that doesn't alter whether or not the practice starts were done and from where) and make their decision in a timely manner.

Time penalties impact the team (not just the driver, who is part of the team) but the licence points impact just the driver so seems fair to me that given the radio instructions, the stewards made a change.

[ascarracinguk]

Originally Posted by Tourer

I would suggest that they ignored the audio on making the decision, either that or reconsidered it after receiving a message from the team. With the race starting / about to start, they'd want to look at key evidence (which wouldn't include the radio convo as that doesn't alter whether or not the practice starts were done and from where) and make their decision in a timely manner.

Time penalties impact the team (not just the driver, who is part of the team) but the licence points impact just the driver so seems fair to me that given the radio instructions, the stewards made a change.

But surely if you’re applying a penalty then they should look at all the evidence before dishing it out. Given we all heard the audio before the race started and The team argued the penalty at the time, the penalty was given several laps into the race so surely they’d have found time to listen to 10 seconds of audio. I find it very bizarre.

It’s not the first time over the last 12 months either, and not just for Lewis. Hate to say it but strange decisions have been made since Charlie’s passing

[Adam43]

That’s not what I was getting at. They didn’t need to listen to the team radio to decide if it was a penalty for the race. Who decided to do it is irrelevant for the 5s penalties. However if the driver gets penalty points on their license it is.