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Old 20 Dec 2015, 21:50 (Ref:3599012)   #101
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Interesting idea! From a spectator point of view it would be a bit like a WEC for single seaters!

Nippon car would be the quickest I guess followed by GP2.

Would you envisage an equivalency aspect to get them all on similar pace?
Honestly it's not a realistic endeavor. Too much ego for both GP2 and F3.5 V8 sets to get them to come together on a formula. F3.5 V8 needs to become the premier European formula championship, and let the FOM set do whatever it is that they do. They should work with LMP2 to figure out way to open their technical regs under a cost cap. Get rid of the 3.5 part in the moniker and open it up to LMP2 V8's. Then they have Nissan, BMW, Judd, and Zytek in the fold, with Nissan and BMW having places to put drivers in, in exchange for some ad space/coverage. I believe Toyota also has an LMP2 V8 around, but I'm not sure. Honda has loads of them not being used.
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Old 21 Dec 2015, 20:33 (Ref:3599265)   #102
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What if we took the 3.5 cars on Michelin tires, and the GP2 cars on Pirellis, and even maybe the Formula Nippon cars on Bridgestones/Dunlops/Yokohamas/Kumhos/whatever they run, put them on the same grid and let them all race? It might not be the most competitive thing ever, but at least it might be compelling to see drivers out driving their equipment on the rare occasion. Besides, it's not like them all having the same car has made it easier for the lesser funded to find themselves in F1.

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Honestly it's not a realistic endeavor. Too much ego for both GP2 and F3.5 V8 sets to get them to come together on a formula. F3.5 V8 needs to become the premier European formula championship, and let the FOM set do whatever it is that they do. They should work with LMP2 to figure out way to open their technical regs under a cost cap. Get rid of the 3.5 part in the moniker and open it up to LMP2 V8's. Then they have Nissan, BMW, Judd, and Zytek in the fold, with Nissan and BMW having places to put drivers in, in exchange for some ad space/coverage. I believe Toyota also has an LMP2 V8 around, but I'm not sure. Honda has loads of them not being used.
Interesting idea. First of all with all the politics going on it probably will never fly, but that shouldnt stop us from discussing it

I don't see your first suggestion working out, because the 3 different chassis have been build to different rulesets, and one combo will be fastest. Everybody with budget will try to get that car and it will slowly force the other cars out.

Your suggestion of LMP2 is one i see having a bigger chance of succeeding if you put it in one ruleset for chassis, so no gp2 vs wsr vs nippon, but one chassis regulations. If i were WSR management i would try to get a deal with Honda and Toyota to basically implement a super formula class in europe. And either use the current super formula engines, which if i'm not mistaken has the same base (2.0l turbo) as the DTM engines will be in the future, or use LMP2 engines.

That would mean potentially having Honda, Toyota, Nissan, Mercedes, Audi and BMW as engine suppliers.
Or go super formula chassis but go for LMP2 engines and have Honda, Toyota, Nissan and BMW as engine manufacturers and some independents options. Reason for going with the super formula chassis is because i think that gives better odds to get Honda and Toyota involved. Once you have 2 manufacturers involved then others can be pursuaded more easy imo. If H&T have no interest then i would go for WSR chassis and LMP2 engines.
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Old 22 Dec 2015, 21:57 (Ref:3599542)   #103
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I love that idea even more, but the problem is that it would require the Europeans to acknowledge that maybe(just maybe!) the Japanese have them beat at planning a formula. Which would happen about half past never.
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Old 23 Dec 2015, 12:26 (Ref:3599651)   #104
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I love that idea even more, but the problem is that it would require the Europeans to acknowledge that maybe(just maybe!) the Japanese have them beat at planning a formula. Which would happen about half past never.
Actually, i think it has more to do with the behind the scenes influence on manufacturers by Bernie and F1 to keep the manufacturers out of european open wheel formula's (except for one engine spec series).

I don't think it is a coincidence that the one junior open wheel serie that has multiple manufacturers involved for decades & has no manufacturer spending spree is a serie that is located in a pretty 'isolated' region.

And to be honest, i don't really understand why there havn't been 2 or 3 manufcaturers who joinlty say: in stead of spending 30+mio a year on DTM or WRC we'll just agree to limit development spending significantly with a spending cap, and spend 5 million a year instead of 30, and get the same kind of exposure.

I mean take the WSR car, sign judd, gibson/zytek and mecachrome and give each a 2.5 million budget to upgrade the current engine while lease costs cannot increase compared with current engine costs. you'll end up with pretty similar performance i imagine. Then label/badge the 3 engines to manufacturer a, b and c, and have each manufacturer spend another 2.5 million in support for 4 teams each (=12 teams & 24 cars). So the teams are off better as well.

If i'm a manufacturer i've now only spend 5 million, can spend another 5 or 10 or even 15 million euro on activating & marketing your involvement in this serie, and be 10 million or more cheaper off with the same (or better) exposure.
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