GP2 - Turkey race - Page 2

runshaw · 21 Aug 2005, 11:02 (Ref:1387358)

Yeah they had a lead of over 30 seconds- I think that could have got them a win. And yeah- you talk about Enriques experience, he HIMSELF actually managed to mess up a Super Nova pit-stop for Pantano in Imola- he walked in front of the car as Pantano was pulling away! Giorgio had to brake and stop before Enrique Scaliwotever got out of the way!

SALEEN S7R · 21 Aug 2005, 11:28 (Ref:1387367)

Excellent 2nd race, great win for Kovalinen and a thoroughly deserved 2nd place for Adam Carroll, talk about bad luck, Carroll has it in bucket loads! Still a great 2nd race and a great weekend overall for GP2. IMO. I just hope Monza can live up to the spectacle Instabul has given us this weekend, Im not betting against it as Monza has given us some fantastic racing over the recent years. IMO.

Kicking-back · 21 Aug 2005, 14:56 (Ref:1387496)

A great weekend's racing - and so much better for having Martin Haven at the mic rather than C*****n K***y

Oh, and Pla did get the F/L points today - the tyre change restriction does not apply to wet/dry switches.

flexible-flyer · 21 Aug 2005, 15:09 (Ref:1387514)

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Originally Posted by Kicking-back

Oh, and Pla did get the F/L points today - the tyre change restriction does not apply to wet/dry switches.

ahhh

jondownunder · 21 Aug 2005, 15:26 (Ref:1387525)

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Originally Posted by flexible-flyer

carlton? we had haven and gareth back together at last this time! made it easily more watchable despite some mistakes still creeping through!

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Originally Posted by Kicking-back

A great weekend's racing - and so much better for having Martin Haven at the mic rather than C*****n K***y.

Agreed, Martin's return made it infinitely more enjoyable. He clearly didn't see that Nurburgring race though, as he kept going on about these two being the best races since the Imola. Two fantastic races, and a great new circuit. It's just a shame the F1 support race didn't quite live up to GP2, but what's new?

flexible-flyer · 21 Aug 2005, 15:26 (Ref:1387526)

according to autosport, pla, monfardini and artam have all had 25 seconds added to their race times for some reason only given to those who subscribe!

i wonder if the artam one is for waving the turkish flag? i know thats illegal in f1 these days.

Kicking-back · 21 Aug 2005, 15:31 (Ref:1387530)

It's because their cars didn't have any wheels on at the 5 minute signal before the start.

Kidzer · 21 Aug 2005, 15:44 (Ref:1387539)

Have to say, martin did make some glaring mistakes today - but still infinitley better than CK

Kicking-back · 21 Aug 2005, 15:51 (Ref:1387544)

Martin's mistakes come through enthusiasm - Carlton's mistakes come through total cluelessness.

strider · 21 Aug 2005, 15:57 (Ref:1387551)

Better, yes, but he talks too much and scarcely lets Gareth Rees get a word in edgeways!

Good to see that Arden are still pretty smart on reading a race situation, even if their car set-up isn't quite on a par with ART's at the moment.

Gaz · 21 Aug 2005, 17:07 (Ref:1387595)

I think the main reason is one of them comes on this forum and posts whilst the other doesn't foxy mole.........

Mekola · 21 Aug 2005, 17:44 (Ref:1387616)

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Originally Posted by runshaw

Yeah they had a lead of over 30 seconds- I think that could have got them a win. And yeah- you talk about Enriques experience, he HIMSELF actually managed to mess up a Super Nova pit-stop for Pantano in Imola- he walked in front of the car as Pantano was pulling away! Giorgio had to brake and stop before Enrique Scaliwotever got out of the way!

Is Enrique Scalabroni - the same man who designed the Williams FW11-Honda in 1986, and the Ferrari F1-90 641 in 1990...

flexible-flyer · 21 Aug 2005, 18:17 (Ref:1387644)

yep.

SALEEN S7R · 21 Aug 2005, 18:49 (Ref:1387678)

As has been said, much better having Haven and Rees back than Kirby Kirby/Rees. Ive got nothing against Kirby, hes a ok commentator in other series such as the DTM but when it comes to GP2 he appears to be guessing a lot of the time. Haven and Rees are by no means perfect but they are the best on offer IMO.

jondownunder · 21 Aug 2005, 19:18 (Ref:1387711)

I would never classify Kirby as an OK commentator, as long as he's commentating on motorsport!

SALEEN S7R · 21 Aug 2005, 19:23 (Ref:1387723)

What can I say, in GP2 he sucks as a commentator I would agree. In DTM though he does a ok job. IMO.

Kicking-back · 21 Aug 2005, 19:37 (Ref:1387738)

The only semi-decent commentary I've ever heard from him was on water-polo

SALEEN S7R · 21 Aug 2005, 19:41 (Ref:1387746)

Ever tried watching the DTM on a regular basis KB? IMO he really isnt that bad. But that topic is for another forum.

flexible-flyer · 21 Aug 2005, 19:49 (Ref:1387757)

i also agree he isnt bad on a knowledge perspective in dtm but he still has heart attacks when nothing happens and confusion when somehting is happening. in gp2 however its a case of knowing nothing at all. haven and rees know their stuff though. its clear they have been watching gp2 even when they were not commentating. i bet kirby has not seen a gp2 race unless he has been commentating on it. haven and rees also do enough research to able to identify cars and drivers. again i dont think kirby can be arsed with that!

Kidzer · 21 Aug 2005, 20:46 (Ref:1387791)

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Originally Posted by Kicking-back

The only semi-decent commentary I've ever heard from him was on water-polo

Agreed, his water polo commentary was quite good

Gaz · 21 Aug 2005, 20:56 (Ref:1387798)

As I say I think if Mr Kirby posted on here like Mr Haven does some of you might have different opinions

I think both are relatively poor commentators in fairness, Haven does know his stuff more than Kirby but both make far too many mistakes and only go to confuse the viewer rather than inform.

Haven just doesn't compare to the commentators they use on Motors for the BTCC/support races

Conrod · 21 Aug 2005, 21:34 (Ref:1387818)

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Originally Posted by flexible-flyer

as soon as the dry line appeared though i knew if there was anybody of the leading drivers going to come in it was heikki.

Pantano was the first man on dry tyres

SALEEN S7R · 21 Aug 2005, 21:43 (Ref:1387826)

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Originally Posted by Gaz

Haven just doesn't compare to the commentators they use on Motors for the BTCC/support races

Thats right, hes better. IMO. Hindaugh is fine, but he is a little too over enthuastastic and tends to veer off of the racing for large chunks during the race and goes into things that are sometimes not very relevent, although topic related, not just in BTCC but the ALMS and LMES too. Ben Edwards IMO is as good as Haven but not better. As for Tim Harvey, well lets just say hes another ex racing driver with a opinion.

IMO.

Kidzer · 21 Aug 2005, 22:00 (Ref:1387843)

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Originally Posted by Gaz

As I say I think if Mr Kirby posted on here like Mr Haven does some of you might have different opinions

Well, we (or atleast I) would be nicer in how I put my opinions, I wouldn't change 'em though - but I don't ever mean to offend him when I talk about his commentary - its just my opinion and he does a far better job (I think

) than I could do.

flexible-flyer · 22 Aug 2005, 05:38 (Ref:1387988)

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Originally Posted by Conrod

Pantano was the first man on dry tyres

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Originally Posted by flexible-flyer
as soon as the dry line appeared though i knew if there was anybody of the leading drivers going to come in it was heikki.

all the early stoppers were in as they had no choice. they were so far back that it wouldnt even have been a gamble. heikki gave up a points position for drys.

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