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Old 29 Nov 2013, 21:18 (Ref:3338327)   #251
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But of course the 3 and 5 bearing block were almost the same and all the Kent series blocks were based on it. Several other notable people also came out of Fords, Tim Swadkin and Dave Rowe to name a couple.

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Old 30 Nov 2013, 09:46 (Ref:3338512)   #252
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Oh, I agree: the Kent power plant series was almost identical.

Except the later five bearing block was slightly different.

Always interesting to me, how John Read's engines (Holbay) tend to be forgotten when thinking back to the real basis start; The 1,000 c.c. "Screamer" period of Formula Three.

Nice pic of a Holbay lump here:

http://img846.imageshack.us/img846/5817/a1030008ul.jpg

Also nice pic here (Scroll down) that will revive a few memories for you!

http://105speed.hyperboards.com/acti.../topic_id/5171


Warley was a most interesting place at that time, Gordon!

Almost every other younger bloke either had or was involved in a racing project.

Four years ago, socially, I bumped into a guy called Ivor Thacker, who worked in the same area: and he was still working on automotive technology and motor sport areas.

And I was recently back in touch with Len Selby: ex Ford, ran a Cooper FIII in the European FIII Championship for one year, early in the "Screamer" days.

Len now runs a biz called Historic Racing: useful man for various bits and pieces.

http://www.historicracing.org.uk/
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Old 30 Nov 2013, 10:51 (Ref:3338528)   #253
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I think the purple Anglia on the 105E site is Les Nash who was racing a Lotus Cortina until fairly recently.
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Old 30 Nov 2013, 11:21 (Ref:3338536)   #254
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I think the purple Anglia on the 105E site is Les Nash who was racing a Lotus Cortina until fairly recently.
Definitely Les in the "Purple People Eater"
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Definitely Les in the "Purple People Eater"
I thought it was (Leicester based) Terry McNally who called his Anglia 'the Purple People Eater'?
(It was a long time ago, and I'm most probably wrong, maybe Terry's car was called something else. I'm sure someone will come along and correct me shortly...)
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One of the unfortunate by-products of the internet is that incorrect information spreads at an enormous pace. I am sure that this misinformation is not spread maliciously, but it certainly spreads at a very fast pace. A tiny example concerns the engine designations used by Cosworth. I am nearly 70 years old now and my information comes from personal contact with Duckworth, Jack Field, John Lievesley, Brian Hart etc. SCA = Single Cam model A. FVA = Four Valve model A. BDA = Belt Driven model A. DFV = Double Four Valve. I hope this helps. I can assure you all that this is correct. There are many many other bits of incorrect information on this forum but I thought I would start with these bits. ).
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Old 19 Aug 2018, 10:15 (Ref:3844575)   #257
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Thanks nabs for adding to the discussion! If my sources are correct Dave M raced the 1300GT in 1971 so it was to that year Gp2 spec rather than previous Gp5 coil sprung only rear end. Can you remember where rear dampers were located to body? Guess they were not fitted with additional coils at that time and leaf springs were 'real'? Also interested if front legs were original Ford type or car had special uprights and how much interior car had retained.

The only Escort that I can find Boreham raced was LVX947J so must have been that one. It was used first by Ford Belgium in 1971 then Boreham 1972 (Birrell & othersr) and was fitted with the 'experimental' torsion bar rear end at some point. Sold to Ron Douglas after that. Car painted yellow with green bonnet which I guess was Belgium scheme. I wonder who came up with the torsion bar design- Len Bailey or Ralph Broad?

Not surprised Broadspeed car handled better- it's a comment you often hear about their cars! Thanks again for post, any more period Escort info greatly appreciated
Hi Mike I know this is an old post but I’m currently restoring The 1973 BROADSPEED Barbarians 1300BDA MK1 in fact it’s literey weeks away from completion !! This Car is running all it’s original suspension set-up which is very trick but no Aluminium TCA’s !! It has Inboard rear shocks, Alluminium Pigshead’ on the rear axle plus an anti roll bar !
I also own Ford BOREHAM Racecar LVX 947J this has signs of once running Torsion Bar rear suspension, but has been modified to run coilovers all round ! When I have it restored we will reinstall the Tortion Bar set-up as in period.
If anyone has any information or pictures of these Cars I would be very much appriative ??
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Also late to the party, but I thought it may be insightful to add that Boreham had been officially or unofficially (I never knew) engineering Roger Taylor's cars plus others. They were certainly heavily involved in running Roger's cars in their various guises.



In fact, Roger's Mk1 Escort used in Special Saloons was one of, if not the earliest Escorts to hit the tracks in the 60s. And it was certainly a wonder to behold when compared to the cars most of us were running at the time. And to the best of my knowledge it had been developed by Bert Avard and his band of merry men at Boreham. I never saw underneath the car, but it was highly sophisticated under the bonnet.


My point in this rambling is that Bert was a damned good engineer.
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Hi Mike I know this is an old post but I’m currently restoring The 1973 BROADSPEED Barbarians 1300BDA MK1 in fact it’s literey weeks away from completion !! This Car is running all it’s original suspension set-up which is very trick but no Aluminium TCA’s !! It has Inboard rear shocks, Alluminium Pigshead’ on the rear axle plus an anti roll bar !
I also own Ford BOREHAM Racecar LVX 947J this has signs of once running Torsion Bar rear suspension, but has been modified to run coilovers all round ! When I have it restored we will reinstall the Tortion Bar set-up as in period.
If anyone has any information or pictures of these Cars I would be very much appriative ??
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Don't be such a tease Paul, get some pictures posted on here, I'm sure everyone would love to see them! (Mind you, I think you have to have made a minimum number of forum posts before you can add pictures, so maybe you'd better start off with some descriptions to get your post count up!)
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Old 19 Aug 2018, 19:50 (Ref:3844814)   #260
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I see you're from Leicester ? That's where I'm based, I will put some pictures up of the Broadspeed Escort as soon as I can ?
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`73 Broadspeed.

Interesting thread....I thought these pictures might be interesting for reference. Taken from the recently found `73 Broadspeed Escort 1300 of Vince Woodman.
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Yes Paul, and I work for an ex-Broadspeed employee who has given you lots of advice about the car too! (Shh!)
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Interesting thread....I thought these pictures might be interesting for reference. Taken from the recently found `73 Broadspeed Escort 1300 of Vince Woodman.
Did Vince know this was around?

He had the nice replica built just before he fell ill.
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Yes Paul, and I work for an ex-Broadspeed employee who has given you lots of advice about the car too! (Shh!)
Hi VIVA GT - I’m assumming his initials are GG ? Plus Seeing as your name on here is VIVA GT & you’re from Leicester you must know John Sharpe too?
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Blimey Paul, John Sharpe, that's a name I've not heard for years!
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Hi everyone , just as a bit of an introduction , I'm Paul , having owned a mk1 rs1600 that needs restoration for years I have just recently decided to prep it as a group 2 zakspeed replica instead of a standard road car or group 4 rally car . Having searched the Internet for a while trying to find accurate and fia legal modifications / details your forum came up with maybe the best place to chat to intelegent chaps of similar interests and the same goal . I have lots of experience of group 4 escorts and race prep of may cars plus fabrication etc so nothing phases me . Can anyone here help me with technical info and period pics of what is allowable and has been accepted by the fia please .i can understand that there have been many posts on this subject but I'm 50 years old dyslexic and have a memory for web pages like a siv lol . So my long term plan is to start on the shell fabrication first and temporarily fit a group2 arch kit , cheers guys , regards Paul
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Hi everyone , just as a bit of an introduction , I'm Paul , having owned a mk1 rs1600 that needs restoration for years I have just recently decided to prep it as a group 2 zakspeed replica instead of a standard road car or group 4 rally car . Having searched the Internet for a while trying to find accurate and fia legal modifications / details your forum came up with maybe the best place to chat to intelegent chaps of similar interests and the same goal . I have lots of experience of group 4 escorts and race prep of may cars plus fabrication etc so nothing phases me . Can anyone here help me with technical info and period pics of what is allowable and has been accepted by the fia please .i can understand that there have been many posts on this subject but I'm 50 years old dyslexic and have a memory for web pages like a siv lol . So my long term plan is to start on the shell fabrication first and temporarily fit a group2 arch kit , cheers guys , regards Paul
https://www.doublegmotorsport.com/rsprep/prepindex.html
A good place to start is the original Ford prep manual .
It does include notes on what was allowed under Gp2 regs of the time .

PS , there is no such thing as a Gp 4 Mk1 Escort
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Thank you for the link , I have the paperback of those details witch only apply to rally cars , group 2 zakspeed race cars come / came under different regs and preparation details . Even modern msa regs are different for race and rally cars . What would really be handy so I can start preparation is the following : (group 2 zakspeed 1974 )
And must comply with current fia historic regs

Detailed photos of the roll cage i.e. Did they use a standard SD 6 point cage , with or without additional bracing to the rear chassis rails / SD multipoint cage or a bespoke fabricated cage ?? I could imagine an allybars alloy cage could have been the done thing back then but regs won't allow alloy cages so CDS will be the only option

We're the rear chassis rails raised to allow the car to sit at a lower ride height ??
Anyone actually had any joy with torsion bar setup and does it make any difference
Rear arch detail
Did they use short link bars , long link bars or lower link bars mounted under the chassis rails and the upper link bars inboard ,
From what I have seen in 2 photos the rear turrets are set further inboard ( I'm presuming this was only done to allow for wheel clearance
As it's a genuine type 49 shell I don't want to start chopping bits out that detracts from it's originality if I don't have to , although I realise the rear firewall and tramp bar brackets will have to go anyway etc etc

Has anyone got any pics of the boot mounted fuel tank ?

Did the zakspeed cars run chassis mounts with a modified gp4 cross member etc
I will be using standard gartrac tarmac /AP historic calipers for now as I have them but will consider the later type gp5 setup any input from members , esp who have an historic race car would be much app , cheers
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Re the ROPS I wouldn't jeopardized because as you say ally is totally forbidden now. For all the safety details read appendix K from the FIA you'll find the relevant Article.
A bespoke ROPS is a good option under condition that you're talking to an official supplier.
Wasn't the plastic boot floor homologated?
Whatever the part you consider from period bear in mind that you must bring proofs of period and that any modification/adaptation must have been legally done.
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Hi Gerard
Yes agree with the cage alloy is not an option anyway , from what I can remember and I may be wrong here so apologies if I am but a guy called Dave Holland died in his sierra cosworth when we were out rallying in the late 80's early 90's witch brought in the banning of alloy cages . I have a guy who makes cages if they didn't use Saftey Devices cages . I do however recall someone telling me some broardspeed shells had additional bars from the cage , through the rear firewall and terminating at the rear chassis rails , not 100% on that though . As for the boot floor you could may well be right . I would think if it was it would be fibreglass with a structural frame for the tank . There was only a few plastics around at that time Perspex that is too brittle , abs and pvc are too soft and would have melted or destroyed with the heat from the exhaust and there's only nylon and maybe ptfe left and ptfe wouldn't be suitable . Also been thinking about dummy leaf springs . There are some around now but I have a funny feeling there not in the correct material . Again I may be wrong but I would thing they were originally made from nylon sheet or laminated from grp not that it matters as they were only there to comply with the regs at the time 🙂
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This is where it gets complicated .
You need to know what you are going to do with the car & what regs apply .
If it is going to be under FIA Historic rules , then this is the latest FIA app K .
https://www.fia.com/historic-regulations

You will then need to read up FIA app J for the period that applies .[ This can vary under event rules .

You then need a copy of the Homologation .
https://historicdb.fia.com/sites/def...05_group_2.pdf
That should be the one .

After you have read up that lot , you might ??? have a bit more idea what you need to do .
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Hi mate , yes tell me about it that's the bit I'm dreading as no matter how everyone interprets the regs I feel it's always better to speak to people directly . I will have to try and locate an msa scrutineer that deals with historic race cars , maybe get photos for proof and a proposal of what I intend to do before starting fabrication , don't mind fitting the body kit providing it's the correct one but I've made a few phone calls and the only guy that did do the kits stopped trading a while ago , but I'm ringing fibersports tomorrow , if not I'll end up making my own patterns and moulds , but I really don't have the time to do that at the moment.
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Hi Paul, and welcome to the forum! There’s quite a few Gp2 Escorts Racing, but the spec varies considerably. To my knowledge, there is only one genuine ex Zakspeed Mk1 running in original 1974/5 spec, and that lives in the UK. The owner is Ben Gill, but it mostly races in Europe in the Peter Auto Heritage Touring Cup. Ben did also race it in the HSCC ‘Escort only’ race at Brands last year, and possibly may enter their similar races at Brands and Cadwell this year.

The big problem with trying to replicate a period car is that the specification would quite likely have changed as it was developed, or rules changed. Most of the Gp2 Escorts racing, including mine, are built to a straightforward spec using off the shelf components. Fibresports ‘Zakspeed’ fibreglass arches (instead of ‘bubble’ rally versions) were available, and hopefully still are. You also need to be careful not to copy something done in period that was in fact illegal, as if you want the car to be compliant now, and be able to complete in FIA events, it needs to be as the rules said it should be, not how it actually was.....

You’re asking an awful lot of technical questions at once. It would probably help to slow down a bit and start with the basics. The cage is the first bit to get right, and it will have to meet modern regs. It won’t be allowed to strengthen chassis suspension mounts, and a plastic boot floor is definitely not allowed.... A lot of people have spent a lot of time looking for proof of ‘this and that’ based on period anecdotal evidence, and if they had found it, it would be in common use. So if something isn’t, it’s likely that there is no proof....

As Tel says, you need to decide what level of competition the car is going to be used for before starting work. Then, and especially if you’re wanting an FIA compliant car, you need to look at as many as possible. If you’re able to visit Norfolk at any point, feel free to ask to have a look round mine.
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