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Old 19 Feb 2016, 06:55 (Ref:3615904)   #181
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Wikipedia (I know!) has the 1800gt introduced in 1964.
I doubt the FIA would take anything on that site as gospel! Mind you, if they did, we could probably re-write history......

Sounds like UK Rallying is ploughing it's own furrow as usual. Stick to racing, sprints and hill climbs, where am sure a lot of non-homologated cars are welcome!

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Old 19 Feb 2016, 08:02 (Ref:3615913)   #182
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Most race series . . .generally referred to as club racing!

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Just to put the cat amongst the pigeons, I do fully understand the need for cars to be homologated and for certain events to only allow in cars that were homologated in period but I do wonder whether there is a case for an alternative system to allow cars that were not homologated in period!
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Old 19 Feb 2016, 08:53 (Ref:3615919)   #183
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Hmmm,anyone EVER seen a B registered one.?

The Marcos 1800 was announced at the Racing Car Show in January 1964. By the end of the year they were producing 2 per week.

So the age is not the issue, but its lack of international history is.

Wonder if this is a new trend for "tightening up" on past exceptions, so what's next? Maybe Richardson heads on Formula Juniors
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The Marcos 1800 was announced at the Racing Car Show in January 1964. By the end of the year they were producing 2 per week.

So the age is not the issue, but its lack of international history is.

Wonder if this is a new trend for "tightening up" on past exceptions, so what's next? Maybe Richardson heads on Formula Juniors
So wiki was right? Darn, would have put money on the info being 'manipulated'!

Steady on with your suggestion for next big thing- their championship is FIA sanctioned!
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Old 19 Feb 2016, 10:16 (Ref:3615941)   #185
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Most race series . . .generally referred to as club racing!
Yes, of course, but I was thinking in terms of continental racing, for older cars such as the aforementioned Marcos, the Marcos 3000 and later, the Porsche 944, where they could race against cars of a similar ilk.

Plenty of people seem to want to race in Europe, but not many opportunities to do that regularly seem to exist for older cars unless they are homologated.
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Old 19 Feb 2016, 10:34 (Ref:3615945)   #186
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Sounds like UK Rallying is ploughing it's own furrow as usual. Stick to racing, sprints and hill climbs, where am sure a lot of non-homologated cars are welcome!

There are lots of significant differences between racing and rallying as I am finding out!

In many respects rallying is far more open and very libre when it comes to most events with often just 4 -5 simple engine capacity related classes and anything goes within each class, hence 2 litre Vauxhall engined sequential gearbox equipped escort mk2s competing against Darrians and Honda civics!

However in the "historic" series the. Homologation counts just as much as anywhere.

What rallying doesn't have is series for cars in age related classes like CTCRC Pre 1993 etc etc where sensible mods are allowed and similar (ish) cars can compete against each other on a fairly level playing field.

In rallying it's either "open" or its "historic".
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Plenty of people seem to want to race in Europe, but not many opportunities to do that regularly seem to exist for older cars unless they are homologated.
Do they not have club racing as we know it on the mainland? I'm sure with research that opportunities to compete in a lot of the other Euro countries with non- homologated cars would be unearthed.....

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Do they not have club racing as we know it on the mainland? I'm sure with research that opportunities to compete in a lot of the other Euro countries with non- homologated cars would be unearthed.....

I know of a few mainland examples.

There are quite a lot of events in France which appear to operate on the American principle of if you bring a car we will find somewhere for you to use it.

There's a single seater club here in Belgium that doesn't require FIA cars and I think there's a similar club for saloon cars.

And there are various events in Germany for non-homologated cars, like youngtimers etc.

The problem seems to occur when someone wants to hold a championship, that is when the FIA appear to be able to step in and force their regulations upon them.

I've no idea how the licencing works when a 'foreigner' wants to join in.
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back when I had the 924 I spoke to a few of the drivers doing the YoungTimer at the 'Ring and they all had FIA papers (and interior trim etc, they were more standard than my car).
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I'm sure there are club races/ series for mon homologated classic cars, Mike, but I think Peter may have hit the nail on the head below.


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The problem seems to occur when someone wants to hold a championship, that is when the FIA appear to be able to step in and force their regulations upon them.

I've no idea how the licencing works when a 'foreigner' wants to join in.
Interestingly, I was watching the "Legend Boucles de Bastonge (what used to be the Boucles de Spa)" classic rally live on Motors TV today and there were several non homologated cars competing, including Porsche 944 and 924S!
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perhaps we should go rallying then Andy!
Relevant that next month I'm doing my first ever rally as a nav down at Bovington...
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David, I've already sold my E36 M3 and bought a ubiquitous Mk2 Escort Tarmac rally car, albeit one with a 1600 8v Vauxhall engine!
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David, I've already sold my E36 M3 and bought a ubiquitous Mk2 Escort Tarmac rally car, albeit one with a 1600 8v Vauxhall engine!
I remember Ford homologating that engine Andy, so you're all clear......

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I thought all Escorts had a 2.5 duratorq engines and 7 speed sequentials ?
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Most Escorts do seem to have Warrior, Vauxhall Red Top or Duratec 2 litre to 2.5 litre engines and 6 speed sequential gear boxes, but the really trick ones have 2.5 litre Millingtons, and all seemed to be described as "Group 4", even though that is a long way far from the truth!

Indeed the Escort folks get very irritated when someone points out that they are Not actually Group 4, and are modern technology facsimiles! As I said earlier, in rallying the rules are basically "open" in all but WRC , ERC or historic type categories.
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