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Old 8 Oct 2009, 22:31 (Ref:2557033)   #1
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Fringe Drivers

Ok folks,

There is no better time to evaluate the fringe V8Supercar drivers than at Bathurst... so here is a simple proposition...

Pick one driver for each of the following:

A) Most Underrated Driver
The driver that you think is the sleeper in the field - the one you don't think gets the recognition for his talent.

B) The Best Driver
Simple equation - if you were a team owner, which driver would you pick?

C) Most Promising Driver
The driver that, as a team owner, you would make sure you keep your eye on.

The candidates are:
Mark Noske
John McIntyre
Daniel Gaunt
Dean Canto
Luke Youlden
Steve Owen
Shane Price
Dean Fiore
Troy Bayliss
David Seiders
Andrew Fisher
Andrew Jones
Brad Jones
Nathan Pretty
Tony Ricciardello
Warren Luff
Jonathon Webb
Danian Assaillit
Brad Lowe
Craig Baird
Sam Walter
Taz Douglas
Karl Reindler
Greg Ritter
David Besnard
Owen Kelly
Mark Skaife
Andrew Thompson
Paul Morris
Allan Simonsen
James Thompson
Dale Wood
David Wall
Leanne Tander
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Old 8 Oct 2009, 22:57 (Ref:2557044)   #2
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A. John McIntyre
B. Warren Luff
C. Troy Bayliss
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Old 8 Oct 2009, 23:23 (Ref:2557057)   #3
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Trevor should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
A: Craig Baird
B: Dean Canto / Greg Ritter
C: Steve Owen
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Old 8 Oct 2009, 23:59 (Ref:2557081)   #4
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A) Youlden

B) Baird

C) Gaunt
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Old 9 Oct 2009, 00:24 (Ref:2557105)   #5
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A) Warren Luff / Craig Baird

B) Warren Luff

C) John McIntyre
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Old 9 Oct 2009, 01:51 (Ref:2557168)   #6
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A- Bezzy (under rated)
B- Skaife (best driver)
C- Simonsen (promising)

A special mention also to David Wall. I was very impressed when he got into a production car for the first time and put an Evo on pole for the Bathurst 12 hour. Hopefully he'll win the GT championship this year (currently leading it) and find stronger drives.

Baird and Luff are also very very good.
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Old 9 Oct 2009, 02:37 (Ref:2557181)   #7
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V8 Fireworks should be qualifying in the top 5 on the gridV8 Fireworks should be qualifying in the top 5 on the gridV8 Fireworks should be qualifying in the top 5 on the grid
Aside from the higher profile drivers Skaife, James Thompson, Simonsen etc...
A Luff (underrated)
B Owen (best driver)
C A Thompson (promising?)
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Old 9 Oct 2009, 08:04 (Ref:2557305)   #8
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Road Train should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
A) Most Underrated Driver
David Besnard

B) The Best Driver
Craig Baird

C) Most Promising Driver
John McIntyre
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Old 10 Oct 2009, 01:16 (Ref:2557918)   #9
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Most underrated = Luke Youlden

The best driver = Craig Baird

Most promising = Luff or Webb

Very interesting thread btw
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Old 10 Oct 2009, 10:09 (Ref:2558096)   #10
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I'm probably going on form this weekend, but:

A) Most Underrated Driver - Tony Ricciardello
Has done a good job so far this weekend given the limited time he has had in testing (and drives the wheels of the mighty Alfa Chev Sports Sedan ) - decent pace in a reasonably good car, if they keep out of trouble - the #16 could be a sleeper.

B) The Best Driver - Jonathon Webb
On current form (he's been solid all weekend and his driving has improved a lot), he'd be my man this weekend. This is after me not rating him that highly previously and I'm always happy to be proven wrong!!

C) Most Promising Driver - Damian Assailitt
The young bloke is giving a good account of himself and deserves a chance! Very level headed and has proven himself as more than capable in the Fujitsu Series in the past few years.
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Old 10 Oct 2009, 11:11 (Ref:2558125)   #11
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Mark Skaife's on the list. Never thought he would be refered to as a 'Fringe Driver'.

The bloke retired about 3 years to early.

Personally if this Ford/Holden thing was'nt a drama, I would love to see Skaife in the #4 SBR car.
SBR and Skaife just seem like a perfect fit, no running a team, no sitting on TEGA boards and no being the face of a manufacturer. Leave the team running to Ross, engineering to Jimmy and Mark just turns up and races.

Back on topic.

Underrated: Baird

The Best: Skaife

Promising: Webb, although pity Moffat's not on that list. Hard to split both of them after their drives today.
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Old 10 Oct 2009, 11:17 (Ref:2558128)   #12
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Underrated: Youlden

Best: Skaife

Most Promising: Troy Bayliss


Good thread
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Old 11 Oct 2009, 07:28 (Ref:2558803)   #13
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Chatters should be qualifying in the top 5 on the gridChatters should be qualifying in the top 5 on the grid
Underrated: Besnard and Ritter, after their efforts today.

Best: Skaife, but excluding him, Owen or Besnard.

Most Promising: Gaunt
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Old 11 Oct 2009, 07:40 (Ref:2558812)   #14
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A) Besnard
B) Simonsen
C) A.Thompson

Interesting to see the spread of answers in this thread...
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Old 11 Oct 2009, 22:12 (Ref:2559241)   #15
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Ok, after having a good think about it, I'll have a crack at my own question...

A) Greg Ritter - year after year he does a brilliant job in the enduros, no matter what team or what car without any fanfare or drama. I'm still baffled as to why he has never cemented himself in the main game...

B) Luff, Baird, Besnard, Ritter or O.Kelly... what's that...? Only allowed to pick one...? Ummm... Luff...?

C) Jonathon Webb seems to be a commonly accepted future talent. I think Karl Reindler is an underrated young talent - helped #25 back onto the lead lap yesterday after all of the early dramas...
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Old 12 Oct 2009, 01:22 (Ref:2559372)   #16
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Chatters should be qualifying in the top 5 on the gridChatters should be qualifying in the top 5 on the grid
Should there perhaps be a 'D' category- Most Overrated? The driver who consistently gets a drive (perhaps in a top running team) in favour of someone else, but fails to deliver?
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Old 12 Oct 2009, 02:59 (Ref:2559406)   #17
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Old 12 Oct 2009, 03:19 (Ref:2559415)   #18
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A: Besnard
B: Besnard
C: A.Thompson

* I excluded Skaife due to his proven track record
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Old 12 Oct 2009, 06:04 (Ref:2559484)   #19
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A) Most Underrated Driver
David Besnard - Probably guilty of over-driving rubbish cars. We could never fault him in an SBR machine, and he comes out good in the enduro's in good cars. He has some rubbish gear in his full time rides 03 onwards...

B) The Best Driver
Mark Skaife - 10 months off and still got the tools in the box to compete with the regulars. Was a little shabby in the wet, but I think the car was a little to do with that. As has been said, 3 years too early.... Nearly a dream moment to share but it wasn't to be....

C) Most Promising Driver
Karl Reindler - Gets faster and faster in tin tops - but I hope he takes his open wheel skills O/S to get into the formula drives.
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Old 13 Oct 2009, 20:06 (Ref:2560775)   #20
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A) Bezzy
B) apart from Skaife, Bezzy
C) Jury is still out...

with regards to Besnard, although this post is made after Bathurst, he still shone at PI and would be my pick still. Mr Owen didn't do much over the weekend did he? Surprising in a top car...
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