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Old 21 Jan 2012, 17:42 (Ref:3015078)   #1
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1988 DTM (German Touring Car Championship) - Discussion & Results

This will be the thread for discussions regarding the 1988 season of the Deutsche Tourenwagen Meisterschaft. Other season will/should follow later.

Starting off with this season as it's quite well covered by Frank's site. Also there is a Video Review covering most of the action. This was the first season having 2 races per weekend, with the distance for both races being around 100km.

Round 01 - Zolder - April 3rd
Round 02 - Hockenheim Short (Querspange) - April 24th
Round 03 - Nürburgring GP - May 1st
Round 04 - Brno - May 22nd
Round 05 - AVUS - May 29th
Round 06 - Mainz-Finthen - June 5th
Round 07 - Nürburgring-Nordschleife - June 18th
Round 08 - Norisring - June 25th & 26th
Round 09 - Wunstorf - July 17th
Round 10 - Salzburgring - August 28th
Round 11 - Hungaroring - September 18th
Round 12 - Hockenheim GP - October 15th

Franks site lists the round 6 at Mainz held at May 31st, but that would be a Wednesday. Race was actually held on June 5th as seen on this program cover.
http://www.progcovers.com/motor/mainz88.jpg


Teams & Drivers
It should be noted that the DTM.de Database and the book "DTM - Die Story" do not include Drivers that did not qualify or not start a race, so there might be even more ...


Ford Sierras:
Ringshausen entered 2 RS500s for Klaus Niedzwiedz and Manuel Reuter. Steve Soper stood in for Niezdwiedz after his crash at the Nordschleife.
Grab had 2 RS500s for Klaus Ludwig and Frank Biela. Bernd Schneider drove Bielas car at the Norisring.
Grab also entered a year old Sierra XR4Ti for Beate Nodes.
Wolf usually had one RS500 for Armin Hahne and an additional car for Herbert Drexler later in the season.


Mercedes 190E:
For the 1988 season the Mercedes teams finally got full works support. AMG entered up to 4 Cars with Johnny Cecotto being the only regular. Other drivers for the team include Kurt Thiim, Marc Hessel, Heiner Weiss and Jean-Louis Schlesser.
French team Snobeck had 2 regular cars for teamboss Dany Snobeck and Alain Cudini plus an extra car for Jean-Pierre Malcher at the last round.
Austrian team Marko entered 2 cars for Franz Klammer and Joerg van Ommen.
IPS Racing switched from Volvo to Mercedes and entered 2 cars for Per Stureson and Siegfried Müller jr..
The Team BMK usually entered 3 cars for Roland Asch, Norbert Brenner and Ralf-Werner Müller plus an additional car for Bob Wollek at Brno.
Thomas von Loewis entered a car under the Schwaben Motorsport Name.
3 More 190E's were driven by Leopold Gallina, Ludwig Weber and Michael Roppes, but i have no clue about their teams/entrants.


BMW M3:
Works teams Zakspeed and Linder continued with 3 cars each, Zakspeed entering Frank Schmickler, Markus Oestreich and Annette Meeuvissen. Linder ran cars for Dieter Quester, Altfrid Heger and Mercedes Stermitz. Heger and Stermitz got replaced in the last round by last years champion Eric van de Poele and the late Winfried Vogt.
ETCC-regulars Schnitzer entered a car for Roberto Ravaglia in the chaotic Salzburgring round.
Alpina continued their DTM program with 2 cars driven by Christian Danner and Peter Oberndorfer.
Team Isert entered 2 cars for Walter Mertes and Olaf Manthey.
Team Vogelsang now entered 2 cars under the Valier name, for Harald Grohs and Arnold Mattschull.
Anton Goeser switched from his old 635 to an M3 in mid-season entering under the AC Schnitzer name.
The Auto Maass Kamei team had 2 cars for Kurt Koenig and Claus Dupre with John Lagodny replacing Dupre once.
MK-Motorsport entered 2 cars in the early season for Mario Ketterer and Kurt Thiim. Didier de Radigues failed to qualify the 2nd car at Round 2 and once Thiim switched to the AMG Mercedes the team remained as a one car operation.
Euro-Racing had a varying number of cars and drivers, including Rüdiger Schmitt, Prinz Leopold von Bayern and Hans Kalaschek.
Tauber Motorsport entered 2 cars for Gerhard Müller and Stefan Neuberger.
Herbert Lingmann entered at least 3 rounds using his ETCC car.
Team Gubin got rid of the old 635 and entered an M3 for 1984 champion Volker Strycek.
Harald Becker entered another M3 in the name of SWR-Motorsport.
There were various other M3s for Karl Baron(most likely his red ETCC car), Peter Cramer, Hebert Breiteneder and Wilfried Wiedner.


The odd cars:
BMW 635csi: Anton Goeser drove his black AC Schnitzer car for the first few rounds until his M3 was ready. Fritz Müller kept his car (and even used it in the next season).

Chevrolet Camaro: The American Car Service Team was back with a completely new Car for their old driver Peter John

Ford Mustang: Gerd Ruch entered the last 2 rounds, most likely as a test for the next season.

Opel Kadett: Tuner Kissling ran a one-car operation for Heinz-Friedrich Peil, while Irmscher entered a car for Josef "Sepp" Haider at the season final, most likely a test for the 1989 assault.

Toyota Supra: Volker Strycek drove most likely a Bemani car in the last round but did not start the race.
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Old 21 Jan 2012, 18:12 (Ref:3015086)   #2
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Franks site lists the round 6 at Mainz held at May 31st, but that would be a Wednesday. Race was actually held on June 5th as seen on this program cover.
http://www.progcovers.com/motor/mainz88.jpg
Well spotted, I'll change that.
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Old 21 Jan 2012, 20:58 (Ref:3015116)   #3
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Always a pleasure to be of help on such a good site.

Here's the full list of the drivers sorted by their car number.

# Driver Car Team
01 Frank Schmickler | BMW M3 | Zakspeed
02 Markus Oestreich | BMW M3 | Zakspeed
03 Annette Meeuvissen | BMW M3 | Zakspeed
04 Klaus Niedzwiedz | Ford Sierra RS500 | Ringshausen
05 Manuel Reuter | Ford Sierra RS500 | Ringshausen
06 Steve Soper | Ford Sierra RS500 | Ringshausen
07 Walter Mertes | BMW M3 | Isert
08 Olaf Manthey | BMW M3 | Isert
09 Harald Grohs | BMW M3 | Valier
10 Per Stureson | Mercedes 190E | IPS Racing
12 Siegfried Müller jr. | Mercedes 190E | IPS Racing
13 Anton Goeser | BMW 635 & M3 | AC Schnitzer
14 Kurt Koenig | BMW M3 | Auto Maass/Kamei
15 Joerg van Ommen | Mercedes 190E | Marko
16 Franz Klammer | Mercedes 190E | Marko
17 Thomas von Loewis | Mercedes 190E | Schwaben Motorsport
18 Klaus Ludwig | Ford Sierra RS500 | Grab
19 Frank Biela | Ford Sierra RS500 | Grab
20 Bernd Schneider | Ford Sierra RS500 | Grab
21 Beate Nodes | Ford Sierra XR4Ti | Grab
22 Christian Danner | BMW M3 | Alpina
23 Peter Oberndorfer | BMW M3 | Alpina
25 Armin Hahne | Ford Sierra RS500 | Wolf
26 Herbert Drexler | Ford Sierra RS500 | Wolf
27 Dany Snobeck | Mercedes 190E | Snobeck
28 Alain Cudini | Mercedes 190E | Snobeck
29 Jean-Pierre Malcher | Mercedes 190E | Snobeck
30 Heinz-Friedrich Peil | Opel Kadett | Kissling
31 Kurt Thiim | BMW M3 & Merc 190E | MK-Motorsport & AMG
31 Didier de Radigues | BMW M3 | MK-Motorsport
32 Herbert Lingmann | BMW M3 | Lingmann
33 Dieter Quester | BMW M3 | Linder
34 Altfrid Heger | BMW M3 | Linder
35 Mercedes Stermitz | BMW M3 | Linder
37 Fritz Müller | BMW 635CSi | Müllerbräu
38 Ruediger Schmitt | BMW M3 | Euro-Racing
39 Mario Ketterer | BMW M3 | MK-Motorsport
40 Leopold von Bayern | BMW M3 | Euro-Racing
41 Roland Asch | Mercedes 190E | BMK - Motorsportteam Berlin
42 Norbert Brenner | Mercedes 190E | BMK - Motorsportteam Berlin
43 Ralf-Werner Müller | Mercedes 190E | BMK - Motorsportteam Berlin
44 Johnny Cecotto | Mercedes 190E | AMG
45 Marc Hessel | Mercedes 190E | AMG
46 Heiner Weiss | Mercedes 190E | AMG
47 Bob Wollek | Mercedes 190E | AMG
48 Claus Dupre | BMW M3 | Auto Maass/Kamei
49 John Lagodny | BMW M3 | Auto Maass/Kamei
50 Peter John | Chevrolet Camaro | American Car Service
51 Volker Strycek | BMW M3 | Gubin
52 Leopold Gallina | Mercedes 190E | Marko?
53 Ludwig Weber | Mercedes 190E | ?
54 Hans Kalaschek | BMW M3 | Euro-Racing
56 Gerhard Müller | BMW M3 | Tauber
58 Harald Becker | BMW M3 | SWR-Motorsport
59 Arnold Mattschull | BMW M3 | Valier
60 Sepp Haider | Opel Kadett | Irmscher
65 Jean-Louis Schlesser | Mercedes 190E | AMG
66 Roberto Ravaglia | BMW M3 | Schnitzer
68 Eric van de Poele | BMW M3 | Linder
? Karl Baron | BMW M3 | Werginz?
? Gerd Ruch | Ford Mustang | Ruch Motorsport
? Michael Roppes | Mercedes 190E | ?
? Peter Cramer | BMW M3 | ?
? Stefan Neuberger | BMW M3 | Tauber
? Winfried Vogt | BMW M3 | Linder
? Herbert Breiteneder | BMW M3 | ?
? Wilfried Wiedner | BMW M3 | ?
? Volker Strycek | Toyota Supra 3.0i | Bemani?
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Wow, thanks T Man, interesting reading! I either hadn't realised or had forgotten completely about some of the names that had occasional or one-off outings?

I was kinda hoping you might kick off with the 1983 season, as I think that was the first year for DPM/DTM under Group A (or was it '84 which we know a bit about?) and a year there doesn't seem to be much info about? Perhaps a thread for another day?
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Wow, thanks T Man, interesting reading! I either hadn't realised or had forgotten completely about some of the names that had occasional or one-off outings?

I was kinda hoping you might kick off with the 1983 season, as I think that was the first year for DPM/DTM under Group A (or was it '84 which we know a bit about?) and a year there doesn't seem to be much info about? Perhaps a thread for another day?
First season was in 1984 of which as you say there is quite some information about. I was thinking of going backwards from 1988, as this was the first season, of which we have proper informations about (the first Tourenwagen-Story book, which I don't have and there was a 1988 video review on VHS) All the previous years are a lot more of a mistery to everyone i guess. I could still create a 1984 thread and we can work towards 1988, so it would be in a more chronological order.

I have to say that 1988 probably was the year with the most entrants, with a bunch of events having more than 40 cars entered. It was the year when all 3 major manufacturers started pumping huge amounts of money into the development of the cars. Before it was just a series mostly for privateers. From that season on the DTM started to become the media spectacle that it was during it's glorious days of the 90's.

Now to some more specific 1988 stuff:

I wasn't excactly sure if the DTM had introduced the system of the qualifying race in 1988 already, but the following picture clearly shows a big field of cars together in racing action.
http://www.progcovers.com/motor/mainz90.jpg
This shot is clearly from the 1988 season and taken at the Salzburgring, but the photo features a couple of cars that did not race at that weekend, so this can only be a shot of the qualifying race, most likely during the warmup-lap.

So on this shot we got:
Back of an Alpina M3
Black 190E or Weiss
The white Kadett of Haider
The grey&red Kadett of Peil behind the AMG - DNQ
The yellow M3 of Goeser
The grey 190E is one of the BMK cars, so it should be Wollek
The black/yellow M3 of Ketterer - Thiims old car
The white/orange/yellow M3 is one of the Kamei cars - either Koenig or Dupre
behind the Ketterer M3 is a blue 190E which is one of the Marko cars, i guess it's Klammer as van Ommen would be in single qualifying.
Then theres the red/white 190E of Gallina.
A Linder works M3 most likely Stermitz
the green/white M3 of Mertes
a white M3 i am not too sure about, could be Becker or more likely Herbert Lingmann (DNQ)
the white Sierra of Drexler
the black M3 of Mattschull - DNQ
the white/blue M3 of Schmitt - DNQ
the red M3 of Müller - DNQ
and the yellow XR4Ti of Nodes - DNQ

there is one more car in the background, but it is impossisble to name that one.
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That's a most interesting observation. As far as I know, there were no qualifying races in 1988, but what often happened was that the non-qualifiers started in race 2, replacing cars which retired or damaged in race 1. So it could be a picture of the 4th start of the weekend, the first and final of race 2 (check my site if you lost me; race 1 was started thrice, with no finish, race 2 ended in the fourth and final mayhem).
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I had another look at the small review of the Salzburgring destruction derby.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qC952LqI75g

By the looks of it at 1:50 minutes, you can see Wollek's car on a tow truck, so the grey car mentioned earlier must be somebody else - Ludwig Weber perhaps... another one not on the list.

shortly before Wolleks car is Schmitt leaving his M3, so he must have been racing at some point.

So your theory of filling up the vacant spots for the 2nd race with the non-qualifiers from race 1 sounds reasonable. Otherwise it probably would have been a 10-15 car race and this way they had an almost full grid again.

by the way, here are some great videos from the very wet practise sessions at the Salzburgring


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEOjS...8&feature=plcp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8O7VR...9&feature=plcp

and a video in the rainy paddock, showing a whole variety of cars including DTM and STT starters. Also is that Steve Soper at 3:24 ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXkQL...1&feature=plcp
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I have a copy of Tourenwagen Story '88 on my bookshelf which I picked up cheap in Sydney a few years ago.
While I can only speak and read a few words of German, this is a great book for the pictures and results/statistics alone.

So, I figure I can contribute round results courtesy of Tourenwagen Story '88, starting with the first round at Zolder.

Rd 1: Zolder
3 April 1988
Distance: 2x24 laps
Weather: Sunny, warm
Crowd: 53,000

GRID
POSDRIVERCARTYRESTIME
1Armin HahneFord Sierra RS500M1.47.47
2Klaus LudwigFord Sierra RS500M1.47.92
3Klaus NiedzwiedzFord Sierra RS500D1.48.86
4Altfrid HegerBMW M3P1.49.40
5Harald GrohsBMW M3P1.49.62
6Peter ObendorferBMW M3M1.49.83
7Marcus OestriechBMW M3P1.49.88
8Christian DannerBMW M3M1.49.96
9Alain CudiniMercedes-Benz 190E 2.3-16M1.50.21
10Frick SchmicklerBMW M3P1.50.52
11Jorg van OmmenMercedes-Benz 190E 2.3-16P1.50.60
12Volker StrycekBMW M3P1.50.76
13Dieter QuesterBMW M3P1.50.79
14Dany SnobeckMercedes-Benz 190E 2.3-16M1.50.80
15Johnny CecottoMercedes-Benz 190E 2.3-16P1.50.95
16Kurt KonigBMW M3D1.51.01
17Olaf MantheyBMW M3D1.51.17
18Marc HesselMercedes-Benz 190E 2.3-16P1.51.66
19Walter MertesBMW M3D1.52.35
20Roland AschMercedes-Benz 190E 2.3-16D1.52.36
21Anton GoeserBMW 635CSiP1.52.41
22Franz KlammerMercedes-Benz 190E 2.3-16P1.52.65
23Annette MeeuvissenBMW M3P1.52.70
24Sigi Muller jrMercedes-Benz 190E 2.3-16P1.52.93
25Rudiger SchmittBMW M3P1.52.96
26Per SturesonMercedes-Benz 190E 2.3-16P1.53.07
27Heiner WeissMercedes-Benz 190E 2.3-16P1.53.26
28Thomas von LowisMercedes-Benz 190E 2.3-16P1.53.48
29Claus DupreBMW M3D1.54.66
30Heinz-F PeilOpel Kadett Gsi 16v P1.55.21
31Norbert BrennerMercedes-Benz 190E 2.3-16P1.55.24
32Mercedes StermitzBMW M3P1.55.76
33Gerhard MullerBMW M3P1.56.09
34Leopold GallinaMercedes-Benz 190E 2.3-16G1.57.95


RESULTS
RACE 1
PosDriverCar Laps
1Klaus LudwigFord Sierra RS500 24
2Armin HahneFord Sierra RS500 24
3Jorg van OmmenMercedes-Benz 190E 2.3-16 24
4Harold GrohsBMW M3 24
5Peter ObendorferMercedes-Benz 190E 2.3-16 24
6Altfrid HegerBMW M3 24
7Marcus OestriechBMW M3 24
8Johnny CecottoMercedes-Benz 190E 2.3-16 24
9Kurt KonigBMW M3 24
10Dieter QuesterBMW M3 24
11Klaus NiedzwiedzFord Sierra RS500 24
12Franz KlammerMercedes-Benz 190E 2.3-16 24
13Per SturesonMercedes-Benz 190E 2.3-16 24
14Roland AschMercedes-Benz 190E 2.3-16 24
15Anton GoeserBMW 635CSi 24
16Heiner WeissMercedes-Benz 190E 2.3-16 24
17Thomas von LowisMercedes-Benz 190E 2.3-16 24
18Frank SchmicklerBMW M3 24
19Marc HesselMercedes-Benz 190E 2.3-16 23
20Annette MeeuvissenBMW M3 23
21Gerhard MullerBMW M3 23
22Mercedes StermitzBMW M3 23
23Claus DupreBMW M3 22
24Sigi Muller jnMercedes-Benz 190E 2.3-16 22
25Danny SnobeckMercedes-Benz 190E 2.3-16 20
26Christian DannerBMW M3 19
DNFVolker StycekBMW M3 17
DNFAlain CudiniBMW M3 15
DNFHeinz-F PeilOpel Kadett Gsi 16V12
DNFOlaf MantheyBMW M3 8
DNSLeopold GallinaMercedes-Benz 190E 2.3-16 0
DNSNobert BrennerMercedes-Benz 190E 2.3-16 0
DNSRudiger SchmittBMW M3 0
DNSWalter MertesBMW M3 0
    
Fastest LapKlaus LuwigFord Sierra1.49.62
RESULTS
RACE 2
PosDriverCarLaps
1Klaus LudwigFord Sierra RS50024
2Klaus NiedzwiedzFord Sierra RS50024
3Marcus OestriechBMW M324
4Jorg van OmmenMercedes-Benz 190E 2.3-1624
5Alain CudiniMercedes-Benz 190E 2.3-1624
6Peter ObendorferMercedes-Benz 190E 2.3-1624
7Dany SnobeckMercedes-Benz 190E 2.3-1624
8Christian DannerMercedes-Benz 190E 2.3-1624
9Sigi Muller jrMercedes-Benz 190E 2.3-1624
10Franz KlammerMercedes-Benz 190E 2.3-1624
11Roland AschMercedes-Benz 190E 2.3-1624
12Frank SchmicklerBMW M324
13Dieter QuesterBMW M323
14Per SturesonMercedes-Benz 190E 2.3-1623
15Heiner WeissMercedes-Benz 190E 2.3-1623
16Annette MeeuvissenBMW M323
17Mercedes StermitzBMW M323
18Gerhard MullerBMW M323
DNFArmin HahneFord Sierra RS50022
DNFHarold GrohsBMW M320
DNFAnton GoeserBMW 635CSi19
DNFJohnny CecottoMercedes-Benz 190E 2.3-1611
DNFKurt KonigBMW M36
DNFMarc HesselMercedes-Benz 190E 2.3-165
DNFAltfrid HegerBMW M34
DNSLeopold GallinaMercedes-Benz 190E 2.3-160
DNSNobert BrennerMercedes-Benz 190E 2.3-160
DNSHeinz-F PeilOpel Kadett Gsi 16v0
DNSClaus DupreBMW M30
DNSThomas Von LewisMercedes-Benz 190E 2.3-160
DNSRudiger SchmittBMW M30
DNSWalter MertesBMW M30
DNSOlaf MantheyBMW M30
DNSVolker StrycekBMW M30
Fastest LapKlaus NiedzwiedzFord Sierra RS5001.48.76

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On my site, with results from DTM.com and German period magazines, Gallina is a non-qualifier, Mertes a non-starter and Müller started as 1st reserve.
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I just received my copy of the Tourenwagen Story 1988!

Although it's a really good book with lots of nice pictures, it's lacking the accuracy of the later books.

There is no mention of Herbert Drexlers Sierra in any of the results, even tho he clearly was in the race at the Salzburgring. Also at the Hungaroring, there seem to be 34 cars in qualifying but 35 started.

So instead of clearing up, this book adds some more misteries to this seasons results.
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BUMP

3 very interesting videos here from Norisiring practice and Salzburgring practice sessions

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfsBR_8trUU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEOjSpxNOmU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8O7VRJpnNYs&t=316s



the Herert Drexler Sierra was at Norisring but failed to qualify

also missing in the list no 57 BMW M3 practiced by Vanicek at Norisring

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