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14 Oct 2006, 08:25 (Ref:1737586) | #1 | |
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AF Corse in 2007
What will make AF Corse the next year ? Ferrari F430 GT? In did LMS or FIA GT of it? At the 24 Hours of Mans? Thank you.
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I think Schumi19 is asking where AF Corse will be racing in 2007, whether in the LMS or FIA GT? And will the team race at Le Mans? Although I could be wrong.
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Ok the Maseratti AF Corse
http://www.maseraticorse.com/home.ph...0010&idsitm=CN Has any team stepped up to race Masseratti out side of Italia ?? |
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Well in that case I dont know, all any of us here can do is speculate. Well, most of us anyway. Personally though I would think that the most likely result would be to seeing AF Corse in the FIA GT Championship again next year and perhaps with a car or 2 at Le Mans. Going into the LMS would be a backward step, if you look at the quality of GT1 and GT2 teams in the LMS compared to the quality in FIA GT I think you will find that the FIA GT Championship is of a higher calibre.
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Overall, as I have said before, we need more cooperation between the organisers and forget all the stuff about 2 hour sprints, that is not real sportscar racing. Cooperation, promotion and spectator information will build GT racing crowds and that will improve the entries and sponsors. ALMS gets it right more of the time, pity they only have 4 cars in GT1 now. |
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Odd also Mr Goodwin that a FIA GT that a team that dominated the LMS next year left the series to join FIA GT for 2006, dont you think? Sure Scuderia Ecosse didnt win Le Mans, but winning 1 race means relatively little. Now, winning a Championship on the other hand is a differnt matter entirely.
Also, you know as well as I that the ACO are more than a little biased when it comes to their selections for the Le Mans 24hrs. I can think of numerous years when the cream of the FIA GT cars missed out on a lot a slot, but some of the slower cars from the series managed to get entries but of course werent 100% competitve. Are you really trying to say Mr Goodwin that Team LNT are competitve against the likes of Scuderia Ecosse and AF Corse? Just look at the results from this years British GT Championship, Scuderia Ecosse are about to wrap up the title with a line up that is 1 pro driver and 1 pay driver. If they put Kinch/Kirkaldy in the car the series would have been won already. |
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Winning Le Mans is a great achievement, but winning a Championship is another matter entirely. Le Mans is just 1 race, a Championship is all about consistancy and durability. Plus the FIA GT Championship also has the Spa 24 hours as part of the series and as far as GT teams are concerned the entries at the Spa 24hrs are every bit as good as the entries GT1 and GT2 get at Le Mans. Sure they dont have the factory Corvettes, but they do have the factory Maserati team, something which Le Mans does not. For now at least. |
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I'm not sure what the significance of works supported entries are in this discussion. FIA GT has them, LMS has them, ALMS has them, LM24 has them. So the FIA will have what, Maserati, Ferrari, Porsche and Aston supported teams. LM will have Corvette, Porsche, Aston, Peugeot, Audi, Panoz (Ferrari?)for certain, and Acura looking to join in... who else? Most of these are pure factory entries, not just "supported" like the FIA. FIA GT is a good series, but if you think any one series anywhere matches the significance of LM, I believe you are mistaken. |
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Plus the LM manufacturers listed include manufacturer prototypes which also have no relevance to FIA GT. Gotta compare like with like. |
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Fogelhund, the Vitaphone Maserati team are the works team for Maserati. Works is another word for "factory" as I am sure you are aware. The Championship also has Works Aston Martin's in the shape of the BMS team. That is fact, not opinion.
With regards to what the FIA will have in terms of manufacturers, I am not comparing the series to the ALMS or the LMS or JLMC as a whole. I am just saying that the quality of GT1 and GT2 entrants is higher than what you will find in the LMS and JLMC and maybe the ALMS too. Sure the ALMS has the works Corvettes and the works Aston Martin's, but anyone remember who beat the works Aston Martin squad at the Spa 24hrs in 2005? And im not talking about a works BMS effort but the proper Prodrive factory team. Oh thats right, it was the MC12's, 1 from Vitaphone and 1 from JMB. Get the factory Corvette squad over here and the Prodrive Aston Martin team for the Spa 24 hours and they would have a very tough time against the FIA GT Championship regulars, once again the Vitaphone and JMB MC12's showed the Prodrive Aston Martin team that. Its just a shame the MC12's are illegall in their current form to race in ACO sanctioned races. Once again, all I am saying that IMO the quality of GT1 and GT2 entrants found in the FIA GT Championship is the best in the world. Of course the ALMS and LMS will have more manufacturers, its got double the ammount of spaces for the races! FIA GT is restricted to 36 cars per event plus 2 invitational cars from the country of event, excluding the Spa 24hrs of course where the entry limit is 65. And finally Fogelhund, I personally do beleive that winning the FIA GT Championship is a bigger achievement than a class win at Le Mans 24hrs alone, which is realistically is all that is achievable at Le Mans for a GT1 or GT2 car. Obviously winning the event outright is a bigger achievement than winning a Championship, but for GT class cars it isnt really realistic. |
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But the realistic choice isn't between winning outright and winning a class - Its between winning a class (GT2) or winning a class (GT2). I think you'll find that the vast majority would choose winning the class in one of the world's biggest races (otherwise why would Scuderia have bothered doing it in the first place?
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Scuderia Ecosse, like everyone else wants to enter the Le Mans 24 hours to potentially win their class, however that isnt their only reason for wanting to race there. As I have said before it is a huge sponsorship opportunity and a chance to give something back to long standing sponsors, a VIP weekend at the Le Mans 24hrs courtesy of the team you are sponsoring is a nice perk I think you will agree. |
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Hmmm don't get much chance to post here at the min! But my thoughts anyway...
BMS, by the looks of things, are having a pretty bad season. They've not been competitve all that often. So to repeat that they're a real factory team isn't really giving either AM nor BMS much credit (and to put credit where it's due, I'm sure both parties put immense amounts of effort in). It doesn't do FIA GT that much credit either in this argument (and this argument alone), since the supposed high quality factory Aston team hasn't won anywhere, whilst probably-cash-strapped privateers have taken the chequered flag in both FIA and LMS races. I do agree that FIA GT probably has the highest quality GT1 field altogether, though, not least because it has the largest GT1 field. However, I'd say ALMS has the highest quality when it comes to GT2. Comparing Porsche teams against each other, and doing the same for Panoz and Ferrari teams, you'd have to present a very watertight argument to persuade me into believing FIA GT has the higher quality entries. |
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Will AF Corse be always sponsored by PlayStation? Will Risi be always sponsored by Xbox?
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Ah? Thus would PlayStation leave AF Corse at the end of the year? And Xbox with Risi? At the end of the year too?
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Intersting discussion between Folgelhund and Schumi but surely the fact that AF Corse is factory backed and all the rest are not will help them get the sponsors and Ferrari provided (and mostly paid) the drivers just as Porsche have done for years. What they do in 2007 will depend who finishes up running the new Porsche because Ferrari will not want to see Porsche return to doninate again.
The Ferrari works deal will not go outside Italy but the Porsche deal could go anywhere there is a team with enough money to run it. I expect a good battle next year between two top teams, one for each make, three if Panoz can see advantage outside Le Mans (doubtful) but will that bring in other teams when they may decide that they are only picking up the crumbs. |
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Where did the name AF Corse come from anyway ?
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