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Old 25 Apr 2021, 05:29 (Ref:4047733)   #46
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All captured in a great documentary "Crash and Burn" on Amazon Prime and I assume elsewhere too.
Ive read the book but not seen the documentary. In fact I was not aware there was one so one to look out for.
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Old 25 Apr 2021, 08:32 (Ref:4047749)   #47
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I've watched it. I haven't read the book. I was left with a feeling of great potential, hopelessly wasted and blame cast on everyone but himself (as well as a significant dollop of jealousy for the success of others who he thought he could have matched or beaten...). All in all, quite depressing really.
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Old 25 Apr 2021, 08:47 (Ref:4047752)   #48
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I saw it too. I don't know about the book, is it any good? There are some drivers who want success and some who could have success if they worked harder. In my view Tommy may have had talent, but he never really applied himself properly to racing and that perception was unlikely to change with his attitude. Maybe he should have realised how lucky he was to get an opportunity rather than what could have been. Still a great story though
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Old 25 Apr 2021, 09:25 (Ref:4047755)   #49
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I recommend the book if you are looking for lessons in how not to make the best of your talents,and there is no doubt that on his good days he was fast.Had to cope with a lot of crap on the way up too-literally.Just after the book was published the late Mike Lawrence wrote a typically erudite assessment of his dissolute approach to life.
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Old 25 Apr 2021, 11:51 (Ref:4047772)   #50
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I read the book years ago but didn't realise there was a documentary until a few days ago. Would be interested to see. But yeah, I echo other peoples' comments. There was no doubt Tommy was talented in the driver's seat and that, perhaps, his lack of funding and "rough and tumble" attitude were setbacks. I distinctly remember him mentioning a meeting with Ron Dennis in the early 80s as leaving the impression that he wasn't cut out for the higher echelons of motorsport from a personal point of view (at least on Ron).

But whereas he could have "played the game" and developed his personal attributes to match what was required of a top F1 teams, I understand that he kind of gave them a proverbial "two fingers", perhaps thinking his speed would talk for itself. And then he got saddled with an Ensign (I think it was) and thus he is barely remembered. Depressingly and criminal waste of talent were two good descriptions alright. Bit of sour grapes for good measure too.
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Old 25 Apr 2021, 15:36 (Ref:4047797)   #51
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I read the book years ago but didn't realise there was a documentary until a few days ago. Would be interested to see. But yeah, I echo other peoples' comments. There was no doubt Tommy was talented in the driver's seat and that, perhaps, his lack of funding and "rough and tumble" attitude were setbacks. I distinctly remember him mentioning a meeting with Ron Dennis in the early 80s as leaving the impression that he wasn't cut out for the higher echelons of motorsport from a personal point of view (at least on Ron).

But whereas he could have "played the game" and developed his personal attributes to match what was required of a top F1 teams, I understand that he kind of gave them a proverbial "two fingers", perhaps thinking his speed would talk for itself. And then he got saddled with an Ensign (I think it was) and thus he is barely remembered. Depressingly and criminal waste of talent were two good descriptions alright. Bit of sour grapes for good measure too.
Even worse a Theodore - which Rosberg Snr won the International Trophy and Silverstone in - by default not by speed - but anyone who followed must have been viewed as not up to scratch
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I remember it well. Back in the days before he called himself "Keke" and the Motoring News headline read:

"Keijo who? Driving a what?"

Most of the stars were in the Woodcote catch fencing, Keke literally sailed through to win. It was main wet, as we say in these parts.

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Interesting anecdote there about Rosberg and the Theodore. Mad to think that F1 teams would not have taken context into account when comparing Theodore drivers thereafter. Though, I feel ending up at any of those struggling teams which made up numbers in the 70s, 80s and early 90s was pretty much a sure-fire way to stall your career regardless of your natural talent. Maybe I'm being a bit harsh.
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1978 was the first year Theodore ran it's own car, although they used a Wolf for the second half of the season. They didn't compete in 1979, but returned in 1980 to run the Shadow team before they pulled out. They returned running their own car again in 81 and competed until the end of 83, with them merging with Ensign at the end of 82 and running Ensign N181Bs rebadged as Theodore N183s
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1978 was the first year Theodore ran it's own car, although they used a Wolf for the second half of the season. They didn't compete in 1979, but returned in 1980 to run the Shadow team before they pulled out. They returned running their own car again in 81 and competed until the end of 83, with them merging with Ensign at the end of 82 and running Ensign N181Bs rebadged as Theodore N183s
Cluster-fook. Cheers for the info.
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1978 was the first year Theodore ran it's own car, although they used a Wolf for the second half of the season. They didn't compete in 1979, but returned in 1980 to run the Shadow team before they pulled out. They returned running their own car again in 81 and competed until the end of 83, with them merging with Ensign at the end of 82 and running Ensign N181Bs rebadged as Theodore N183s
The '78 Rosberg IT winning 'Theodore' was essentially a Ralt RT1 with Duckworth Four Valve bolted on!
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