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Old 7 Dec 2017, 05:36 (Ref:3785591)   #2521
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That's going to liven things up, as teams will try and get their penalty in first, so their driver doesn't end up at the back of the grid.
I remember when teams would try and get their car in first place, now teams will race to try and get their penalty in first!


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It seemz it means if two drivers are on the back of the grid, this with less grid place penalties + starting position without them would race before the other.
Hmmm... well they did say it was to make things less confusing for the fans.
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Old 7 Dec 2017, 08:36 (Ref:3785612)   #2522
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Old 7 Dec 2017, 08:45 (Ref:3785614)   #2523
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It's not the best solution, but it will be better than what we got at the moment
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Old 12 Dec 2017, 06:57 (Ref:3786487)   #2524
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Is the F1 hybrid formula really relevant to anyone?

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Old 12 Dec 2017, 07:05 (Ref:3786490)   #2525
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Old 12 Dec 2017, 12:40 (Ref:3786552)   #2526
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Is the F1 hybrid formula really relevant to anyone?

what exactly does that mean?
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Old 12 Dec 2017, 14:33 (Ref:3786569)   #2527
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what exactly does that mean?
I think - that nearly a quarter of car sales in Norway are hybrid/electric, and that the volume of hybrid/electric sales across Europe is increasing.

The current engines may not reflect historical road cars, but they may be an indication of future cars?
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Old 12 Dec 2017, 16:48 (Ref:3786599)   #2528
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what exactly does that mean?
I am wondering myself. I am not sure it is what wnut thinks it is?

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Is the F1 hybrid formula really relevant to anyone?
I read the charts as...

1. In general EV + PHEV is a growing market.
2. That pure EV is in some places not growing as fast (even going backwards) when compared to PHEV.
3. That PHEV is showing real growth.

If PHEV is "Plug in hybrid" and HEV is "Hybrid"... then the answer to wnut's question is...

Absolutely!! It does seem the the F1 hybrid PU are very much relevant!

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Old 12 Dec 2017, 17:53 (Ref:3786622)   #2529
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I am wondering myself. I am not sure it is what wnut thinks it is?


I read the charts as...

1. In general EV + PHEV is a growing market.
2. That pure EV is in some places not growing as fast (even going backwards) when compared to PHEV.
3. That PHEV is showing real growth.

If PHEV is "Plug in hybrid" and HEV is "Hybrid"... then the answer to wnut's question is...

Absolutely!! It does seem the the F1 hybrid PU are very much relevant!

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It seems to me that part of the question is 'relevant to what?'

Relevant to current cars - increasingly so.

Relevant to future cars - almost certain.

Do we want F1 to reflect general automobile use? Or should F1 shape automobile use?

Is it coincidence that the best engine manufacturer in an era with fuel limits, have also produced the most efficient ICE to date?
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Old 13 Dec 2017, 09:04 (Ref:3786784)   #2530
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When was F1 road relevant when they were producing V12's and V10's?
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When was F1 road relevant when they were producing V12's and V10's?
I don't remember F1 ever being road relevant but for the first time, it looks like it is.
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Old 13 Dec 2017, 18:54 (Ref:3786886)   #2532
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Sad times, then. We'll never get rid of these vacuum cleaner engines now...
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I think - that nearly a quarter of car sales in Norway are hybrid/electric, and that the volume of hybrid/electric sales across Europe is increasing.
would love to know how those figures sit alongside government subsidies and tax breaks in the relevant countries. is it norway that's banning fuel only vehicles in the next decade?
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I managed to track this down, it would appear that we are being lied to as to the growth of the electric car market.
Basically it has tanked for the past 3 years in Europe.

Total market share of electric vehicles in the European Union from 2011 to 2017, in percent



https://www.statista.com/statistics/...-in-eu-annual/

If you can't get above graph.

For years 2015/16/17

Battery EVs 0.43/0.43/0.54 %

Plug In Hybrid 0.65/0.65/0.64 %

Total EVs 1.08/1.07/1.18%

Not the startling growth apparently presented by the above original graphics when viewed in percentage terms of overall market share.

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would love to know how those figures sit alongside government subsidies and tax breaks in the relevant countries. is it norway that's banning fuel only vehicles in the next decade?
Yup Bella, love to know how the subsidies and prescriptive laws stack up against political donations and private Swiss bank a/c balances too.
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