Lime Rock: The Northeast Grand Prix

[FordCosworthPanoz]

Originally Posted by awegrzyn

I was at the race and this is the actual Quest and Ferrari crash:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qKnM8VUU4M

You did a better job at capturing the 52's crash than the ESPN/ALMS TV cameras did.

[awegrzyn]

I caught more, but I have to make the videos.
I'm looking for the ESPN version of the crash and I can't find it.

[Guy S]

Originally Posted by picchiofan

To put it in perspective, Dyson got a larger restrictor and a 30kg weight break, and still finished on the same lap as the two 2 LMP2 cars.

Muscle Milk lost 4 laps due to a transmission issue, and had to serve a stop & Go penalty at a 45 second a lap track,

Can I ask you where you get this information from because it's total ********, yes Dyson got a bigger restricter as did Muscle Milk what you have faild to report is that they got a .4 mm reduction before Sebring for WEC rules and races on that until now. That puts them about 30-40 hp down that's why they got a bigger gain compared to muscle milk as it was out of whack since Sebring. And the weight? Where is the 30 KG weight break bith carsvarevthe same....gets your facts right.

[awegrzyn]

One more. Porsche 34 off.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gb8yGUEvayM

[Guy S]

Dyson had a puncture lost 3laps, MM gained a wave by as a P2 car was leading overall which put them on the same lap, they're were quicker on the day. Look at Laguna to now, it takes time the Acura is a brilliant well sorted car with well sorted tyres.

[FordCosworthPanoz]

Originally Posted by Guy S

Dyson had a puncture lost 3laps, MM gained a wave by as a P2 car was leading overall which put them on the same lap, they're were quicker on the day. Look at Laguna to now, it takes time the Acura is a brilliant well sorted car with well sorted tyres.

Interesting Guy, puncture was never reported by ESPN2 (no suprise here) or the ALMS twitter feed, thanks for letting us know.

[Guy S]

Originally Posted by FordCosworthPanoz

Interesting Guy, puncture was never reported by ESPN2 (no suprise here) or the ALMS twitter feed, thanks for letting us know.

Trust us it's frustrating for us too, getting the big tyre working is hard work Dunlop are doing an awesome job but we are the only team in the world running the 'Big' front dunlop tyre and we are working on getting it right. It was VERY hot yesterday in qualifying and you saw the potential the car is good but in today's race we lacked grip as it was much cooler... We will fix it but unfortunately it takes time.
Dunlop gave us brilliant tyres last year and are doing great with this one but we have to get the tyre/car working and it's not easy.
MM are in a car which essentially has been tweaked over 5 years in different forms with a small well sorted tyre, they are quick from the out lap it takes a lot longer and makes us slows through the traffic initially.

[Matt]

i'm absolutely fried from today.

here's the photos i took today..they're not that great.
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?...3&l=8117325252

[Articus]

Anyone else beginning to notice that the Morgan Judd is a LIVELY car. Everytime I see the car on track in races the drivers are pedaling that car hard. Tail wagging constantly! Looks fun!
Whereas the P2 acura just goes around likes its on rails. The Morgan is just so much fun to watch!

[Articus]

On another note. I am absolutely begging Maranello to solve this 458 visibility issue. My heart could not take the sight of yet another beautiful Ferrari being binned!

Its clearly a Ferrari issue.Nearly all the accidents involve the rear end of a Ferrari and the front end of an LMP car..We can all do the math.

[Danny_GT2]

Well it appears I won't be able to watch an ALMS race for a while. Laptop turned itself off twice in the 1st hour due to overheating so until I get a new one soon I'll have to part my ways from ALMS Interesting that it overheated twice in 1 hour yet I never get this with GT1 & GT3 which are an hour long too!

[WolfsburgRS]

I'm honestly really gutted for the ESM guys. It's easy to make all the usual jokes or comments about gentleman drivers or whatever, but they seem to have really gelled and have started to get pretty consistent as of late. Ed Brown, who is not a pro, did a great middle stint keeping the 02 car on the lead lap and in contention for Cosmo to make that late-race charge. Pretty impressive.

I've never been the biggest fan of the LMPC cars, and much like gentleman drivers in GT, I don't begrudge anyone with the money to go racing with it, but I don't think they belong on track in the main show. Does anyone really care about them other than the people racing them? Does it really make sense to put amateur drivers in a prototype car which is faster than the Pro GT cars? LMP2 I can kind of get behind as it's at least not spec, but it seems to me the LMPC guys get very "my race" about getting past the GT cars, much more so than any others. How many good results have LMPC cars ruined for the real stars of the show, the GTs, since they were introduced?

Say what you will about GTC, but at least they tend to stay out of the way if they mess up. LMPC has the speed to just push the GTs out of the way, and ultimately most of those drivers are not ready for it.

I know IMSA loves the cash from having them on, but I'm ready to see LMPC say bye. Too many classes, too many incidents, too many bone-headed moves. And after all that the race ends under yellow.

[Rodger Davies]

agree with everything you say Mr WolfsburgRS

[awegrzyn]

More spins and good sound in HD

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SoC3hv5eWWk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOLGDAvrPtU

[HJJ]

Originally Posted by Rodger Davies

agree with everything you say Mr WolfsburgRS

Personally, I'd rather have a sexy, V-8 sounding sports racer than more "Cup" cars that they already have a separate race for. But that's just me.

[WolfsburgRS]

Originally Posted by HJJ

Personally, I'd rather have a sexy, V-8 sounding sports racer than more "Cup" cars that they already have a separate race for. But that's just me.

Well yeah, ideally there would be some proper ground-pounding V8 powered LMP1/2 cars to replace them, but the honest truth is that the LMPC cars all sound a little...flat. It's not like they sound like the Corvettes. Or old IMSA GTO V8s from the 80s and early 90s, those sound amazing.

Cup cars are at least interesting to watch. (IMHO of course) When pushed they move, slide, roll, dip, dive, and generally look on-edge. LMPC cars just go around the track. Except when they're pushing other cars off course that is.

[Duff_44]

My WAAAY to many photos from Lime Rock (204!): http://s131.photobucket.com/albums/p...20Lime%20Rock/

And three videos I also shot:
Race start: http://youtu.be/ghZMq8A7-P0
No-name straight action: http://youtu.be/ZeZ7DY-NFEE
Patron Ferrari punts the tire wall chicane at the uphill after missing the actual chicane: http://youtu.be/US1oW6pQ_40

My feet hurt, I'm burnt crispy in spots, and my back is killing me...
...but wouldn't trade it for anything

[Fogelhund]

Originally Posted by WolfsburgRS

I'm honestly really gutted for the ESM guys. It's easy to make all the usual jokes or comments about gentleman drivers or whatever, but they seem to have really gelled and have started to get pretty consistent as of late. Ed Brown, who is not a pro, did a great middle stint keeping the 02 car on the lead lap and in contention for Cosmo to make that late-race charge. Pretty impressive.

I've never been the biggest fan of the LMPC cars, and much like gentleman drivers in GT, I don't begrudge anyone with the money to go racing with it, but I don't think they belong on track in the main show. Does anyone really care about them other than the people racing them? Does it really make sense to put amateur drivers in a prototype car which is faster than the Pro GT cars? LMP2 I can kind of get behind as it's at least not spec, but it seems to me the LMPC guys get very "my race" about getting past the GT cars, much more so than any others. How many good results have LMPC cars ruined for the real stars of the show, the GTs, since they were introduced?

Say what you will about GTC, but at least they tend to stay out of the way if they mess up. LMPC has the speed to just push the GTs out of the way, and ultimately most of those drivers are not ready for it.

I know IMSA loves the cash from having them on, but I'm ready to see LMPC say bye. Too many classes, too many incidents, too many bone-headed moves. And after all that the race ends under yellow.

Who do you have issues with? Kimber-Smith isn't exactly an amateur, and he seemed to have caused the biggest of the incidents.

[Jonerz]

Originally Posted by Fogelhund

Who do you have issues with? Kimber-Smith isn't exactly an amateur, and he seemed to have caused the biggest of the incidents.

Agreed, Fog. Lime Rock is our short track. Things are bound to get too close. Even without the PC and GTC cars Lime Rock was still a messy place. I can't remember if it was 2007 or 2008 the year when everybody hit pretty much everybody else. That was a top professional grid with tons of pro cars, no challenge cars and still there were contretemps.

I rather enjoyed the race Saturday. I'm glad the crowd (at least our hardcore ten-tenths friends) enjoyed the race. I was impressed with the crowd as well. I was worried the high ticket prices combined with the lack of on-track action would result in empty viewing areas, but not so. I'd still like to see the ticket prices decrease by 30% and Lites, GT3 Challenge and Star Mazda join the ALMS. Of course, over two days that makes for a busy, compact schedule.

Looking forward to Mosport!

Chris

[amidst tundra]

Originally Posted by WolfsburgRS

Well yeah, ideally there would be some proper ground-pounding V8 powered LMP1/2 cars to replace them, but the honest truth is that the LMPC cars all sound a little...flat. It's not like they sound like the Corvettes. Or old IMSA GTO V8s from the 80s and early 90s, those sound amazing.

Cup cars are at least interesting to watch. (IMHO of course) When pushed they move, slide, roll, dip, dive, and generally look on-edge. LMPC cars just go around the track. Except when they're pushing other cars off course that is.

I don't really buy that removing the LMPC class will see a flotilla of teams convert to LMP1/2. You'll probably see far less cars on the grid.

[Pandamasque]

LOL http://youtu.be/US1oW6pQ_40

Originally Posted by Articus

Anyone else beginning to notice that the Morgan Judd is a LIVELY car.

Isn't it Nissan-powered now?

[broadrun96]

If you have ESPN3 coverage, they have onboard and trackside front and rear shots of the Sharp/Leitzinger connection at 3:16. Both Hindy and Shaw marked it up to Ferrari's blindspots at the rear right quarter. Maybe they need to try moving the camera up to the backside of the roof onboard camera to have a wider angle view? Just offering a thought based on other's suppositions and having watched the roof onboard and the rear shot on ESPN3, feels like a wider angle could help eliminate some of the forum blame being thrown around. And could help ESM and others stay on track and reduce their repair bills.

[broadrun96]

We might have to start all drinking Patron with every meal to keep ESM around. Any idea how many chassis they have gone through as a team in their history? Love the livery and they have brought some good money and advertising to the series but bad luck/strategy/damages like these and they'll be bound to run out of funds.

[Articus]

Why dont they try shaking up the driver lineup. This time Sharpy and Brown in one car. Overbeek and Cosmo in the other car.

Is this how Johannes van Overbeeks career is going to finish. Didnt he win the ALMS championship with Bergmeister?

[NightStalk3r]

Originally Posted by Articus

Didnt he win the ALMS championship with Bergmeister?

No Bergmeister won his first ALMS title with the Lizards in 2008 with Henzler.
2007 was the only year Bergmeister ran with van Overbeek and they finished 2nd behind the Risi pair.