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Old 28 Feb 2013, 22:32 (Ref:3212434)   #551
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Times change bud. We don't live in that age anymore. Things have to move forward, that means paddle shifters and traction control. What's crazy about those cars is how early they brake compared to the current LMP's. Tires definitely have gotten better as has braking. Of course they aren't traveling as quick on the straights either.
I was just watching some of the 2000 24 Hours of Le Mans and in particular the Audi and Panoz battle. It is amazing how much time those cars lose under braking compared to today's cars.

Back then, the braking zones were much longer and the cars kind of eased into the corners. Today, the cars divebomb and attack the corners.
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Old 28 Feb 2013, 23:00 (Ref:3212443)   #552
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That is most likely at manufacturer request in the factory cars, they don't want the steering wheel readouts to be visible on screen.
Because Audi's rpms will be really useful for Toyota who is uses completely different engine and vice versa? If they wanted to be secretive about this, why Audi shows these and a bit more already in its onboard webstream? And why is it that when Audi and Peugeot actually did use the same type of engine the cameras in the Peugeots were typically placed further in the cockpit and showed at least partly the steering wheel?

Don't think teams has much to say in this (from LM24 supplementary regs):

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Might not be a "fetish" for ACO either as I origially said, but more to do with where it is simply technically easier to place and which one shows the road ahead better.
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Old 28 Feb 2013, 23:50 (Ref:3212473)   #553
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I was really surprised how much information is shown on Audi's onboard streams.

You can see Kilometers per hour, RPMs, what gear they are in and the vertical and lateral G forces.
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Old 1 Mar 2013, 21:59 (Ref:3212914)   #554
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They place the camera there because that's the best outward view there is! If they had a camera behind the driver we would get a limited view of the outside surroundings. We already know they sit pretty far away from the windscreen, so a camera there is nice but it won't show much of the racing action.
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Old 1 Mar 2013, 23:48 (Ref:3212966)   #555
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Some interesting stuff here from DRIVE. A new Driver's Eye series following different guys. First up is Leh Keen at the Montreal Grand-Am race.

Some good behind-the-scenes insight in the paddock and also setting up the car.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpQ7JaUYdv4
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Old 2 Mar 2013, 00:46 (Ref:3212984)   #557
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Some interesting stuff here from DRIVE. A new Driver's Eye series following different guys. First up is Leh Keen at the Montreal Grand-Am race.

Some good behind-the-scenes insight in the paddock and also setting up the car.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpQ7JaUYdv4
Drive's doing some fantastic stuff lately, Im a big fan and Im really liking this. Be interesting to see who else they follow, hoping for some more Grand Am and ALMS. Helps that they chose someone like Leh Keen whos interesting which certainly appeals. They should do Boris Said
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Old 2 Mar 2013, 06:43 (Ref:3213065)   #558
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They place the camera there because that's the best outward view there is! If they had a camera behind the driver we would get a limited view of the outside surroundings. We already know they sit pretty far away from the windscreen, so a camera there is nice but it won't show much of the racing action.
This is what I mean too, but before 2011, Peugeot used to have the cameras bit more behind, enough to show little bit of the steering wheel.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3YgDeoKXeo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNhpIrzydtk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ru-w6VngDz8

Then in 2011, both Audi's and Peugeot got the "almost next to windscreen" cams, which undoubtedly show the road best, but makes you think the car drives itself...

Also have to wonder why Toyota didn't have a camera once post-LM rounds, not even at Fuji.
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Old 2 Mar 2013, 06:54 (Ref:3213068)   #559
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The only onboard that I've seen from Toyota besides that generic 'windscreen view' outside LeMans was at Goodwood FOS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5nsNxDlf-Q
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwUsJ24USNY

Some cool qualifying footage from Le Mans '98.
Apparently Eurosport was having technical difficulties when this was being broadcasted, so for most of the video there's no commentary and you get to hear the cars in all their glory.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwUsJ24USNY

Some cool qualifying footage from Le Mans '98.
Apparently Eurosport was having technical difficulties when this was being broadcasted, so for most of the video there's no commentary and you get to hear the cars in all their glory.
Very nice. I'd have given anything to be at the race in 97/98/99! Absolute dreamland!
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This may not be 'cool' (infact, I can't decide if it's the best or worst thing my eyes have ever seen), but this makes G56 seem a little less out of the ordinary...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBFCkUjb-wM
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This may not be 'cool' (infact, I can't decide if it's the best or worst thing my eyes have ever seen), but this makes G56 seem a little less out of the ordinary...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBFCkUjb-wM
If it was so easy, I'd like to enter the race too...
What is this ? - A road sign !
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And heres the next of the Drivers Eye videos also with Leh Keen

This time at COTA, no commentary, no music just Keen and his 911 machine. Wonderful!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20V_Uf5m3Nw
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1970 Spa 1000kms, 917s and 512s dancing through Eau Rouge. Absolutely gorgeous.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzI7cN8fqMU
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1970 Spa 1000kms, 917s and 512s dancing through Eau Rouge. Absolutely gorgeous.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzI7cN8fqMU
Wow. Amazing footage.

Horrifying 'safety' 'standards' back in the day, of course.
Photographer lying in road? CHECK
Milk churns full of petrol sloshing around in the pits? CHECK
Marshals standing on the apex of Eau Rouge while 917s storm past on a wet track? CHECK
Etc etc? CHECK

It's amazing so FEW people died back then.
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I just laughed at seeing that video. And all the safety standards they have today that didn't even exist back then. A photographer lying in on the road? One running across the track before the cars come? Insanity by today's standards.
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THAT refuelling with open cans-just pouring the fuel in like that!
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Matra V12's at last weekends Philip Islands Events. Next time someone says Electric cars are the future, play this for them.

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Here is a sampling of other cars at the event.


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Here are some more great sounds and images from an amateur recording at an FFSA race at Dijon in 2009.

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Wow. Amazing footage.

Horrifying 'safety' 'standards' back in the day, of course.
Photographer lying in road? CHECK
Milk churns full of petrol sloshing around in the pits? CHECK
Marshals standing on the apex of Eau Rouge while 917s storm past on a wet track? CHECK
Etc etc? CHECK

It's amazing so FEW people died back then.
Wow, I had there same reaction! Just bonkers!
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1970 Spa 1000kms, 917s and 512s dancing through Eau Rouge. Absolutely gorgeous.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzI7cN8fqMU
Indeed amazing footage. Thanks for posting this gem.
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I'm sure someone must have posted this before but I couldn't see it. Just got sent the link today . Hawthorn a lap of LM in a D Type.

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There has been copies of that on Youtube for years - but in really crappy quality compared to that.
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I'm sure someone must have posted this before but I couldn't see it. Just got sent the link today . Hawthorn a lap of LM in a D Type.

http://vimeo.com/59410466#at=0
Excellent. Really interesting to see the track as it was, ie very much a public road.
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