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31 Jul 2006, 17:44 (Ref:1669124)
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A manual shift just was another one of those things that marked champcars out as "mens" cars. Especially in the days of higher power outputs. It is a shame to see paddle shift, but it won't ruin anything much. |
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31 Jul 2006, 17:52 (Ref:1669130)
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Autosport.com has some beautiful pictures especially from the side.
I liked how they curved the nose downward from the cockpit. In the original artist rendering it was a straight line to the tip of the nose if I recall. I also like the lines around the cockpit and engine cowling. Just a stunning car. It's the best looking single seat car I've ever seen. |
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31 Jul 2006, 17:54 (Ref:1669132)
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Paddle shifting is the way of the future. Even road cars are headed that way. I was just sitting in a Lambo gallardo and 2 different ferraris and they all had paddle shifters.
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31 Jul 2006, 18:17 (Ref:1669153)
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But the point is and as mountainstair said, its the way of the future. Last edited by luke; 31 Jul 2006 at 18:25. |
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31 Jul 2006, 18:23 (Ref:1669160)
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If we did everything by the way of the future, well.......it'd be pretty horrible.
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31 Jul 2006, 21:06 (Ref:1669335)
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If we did the opposite, it would look like a model A Ford 
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31 Jul 2006, 23:27 (Ref:1669470)
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The current stick shift system is a foot-to-the-floor whilst shifting sequential system, pull back to change up and push forward to change down, so in that respect its not exactly much more different to a paddle shift, it just looks manlier.
 Having said that, I'm sure the gear changes will no doubt be somewhat faster with the new gearbox. |
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2 Aug 2006, 08:05 (Ref:1670642)
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Does having paddle shifts vs the sequential system significantly increase driver reaction times?
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2 Aug 2006, 10:04 (Ref:1670756)
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As it's for America, and they can't seem to get American's into the seats, maybe the idea of the paddle shift is to convince them it's a column shifter - but not with P R N D 1 2 on it.
Thanks to software, I'm sure it could do it!! I would just LOVE to see more of America's top drivers in both Champcar and IRL. Like knowsley, I feel that the move to the paddle shift is a move away from driver skill. Flat shift technology takes it away from the driver. Unless they have a "random missed gear program" in the software to add spice and make up for it! Raised nose - well that's aerodynamics for you. Bring back multi-manufacturers for both chassis and engine, and make them stock blocks again! I'll draw the line at bringing back of front engined indy specials though!! Rob. (stirring as usual) |
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2 Aug 2006, 12:35 (Ref:1670888)
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Also just to clarify, you can't miss a gear with the current gearboxes, so if you want real skill back you need to introduce a good old fashioned H-pattern. \o/ |
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2 Aug 2006, 12:41 (Ref:1670898)
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No difference between a Paddle shift SMG and a floor shift SMG. The shift signal occurs as soon as the electrical connection is made. Paddle shifter may be slightly faster as driver doesn't have to take his hand from the wheel. Still takes about 75 milliseconds from when the shift signal is sent to when gear change actually takes place. The VW DSG by comaprison takes only about 17 milliseconds to upshift, downshifts are similiar to SMG shift time
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6 Aug 2006, 12:24 (Ref:1674948)
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What will happen to all the current race cars? There might be a few good hill climb cars for sale at the right price!@!@##
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6 Aug 2006, 18:11 (Ref:1675732)
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Have any of the Champcar drivers tested in the Panoz yet? If so i wonder what all of their opinions are on it (like how different the car rides, etc.)
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6 Aug 2006, 19:00 (Ref:1675787)
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Nope but I'm sure soon as there isn't many races in september and October. I guess they can't untill they get the cars in November. First batch that is. So they will be testing them in the off season.
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7 Aug 2006, 08:44 (Ref:1676310)
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Roberto Moreno is doing the testing at road atlanta.
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15 Aug 2006, 15:14 (Ref:1683320)
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Car on track. Right now.
 edit: fuel cell issues, car will run tomorrow. Last edited by paul-collins; 15 Aug 2006 at 18:01. |
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17 Aug 2006, 14:15 (Ref:1685070)
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Any news and/or photos of Moreno in action?
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17 Aug 2006, 14:35 (Ref:1685091)
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Not so far; the fuel cell had to come from California, and so they couldn't get the car ready for yesterday. Today they should be on track, but my source hadn't heard anything before 9 am - and I won't be able to get any info until tonight, now.
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17 Aug 2006, 15:28 (Ref:1685119)
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Paul, you work for Racecar or Racer magazine don't you?
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17 Aug 2006, 15:57 (Ref:1685141)
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Nope.
You're not confusing me with Sam (ss_collins) of Race Car Engineering are you? |
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17 Aug 2006, 16:11 (Ref:1685162)
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Must be. I always got you two mixed up LOL...
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17 Aug 2006, 20:59 (Ref:1685455)
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Later this month there shall be a substantial test schedule at Sebring.
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22 Aug 2006, 21:32 (Ref:1689125)
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Credit to 'Knocker69' who posted this at CW/CCF:
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22 Aug 2006, 21:46 (Ref:1689137)
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mmmmNIIICCEEE!
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22 Aug 2006, 22:59 (Ref:1689185)
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It's enough to leave you breathless.
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