Roundels

Moosehead · 16 Mar 2007, 17:30 (Ref:1868412)

I was going to run black roundels / white numbers but in the blue book it states numbers must be black on a white background. I've seen plenty of historics using black roundels just wondering whether anyone has ever been pulled by the scrutes.

GORDON STREETER · 16 Mar 2007, 18:45 (Ref:1868462)

In motocross different coloured roundels are used to denote class/cc so thats food for thought !

zefarelly · 17 Mar 2007, 10:27 (Ref:1868994)

I have red roundels on my doors, and a black one on the boddet . . . . its as was in period, no ones ever said anything to me.

when you look at most modern cars they have so much crap all over them you can't see the number anyway, besides which no one reads them, you've got a transponder fitted !

Moosehead · 17 Mar 2007, 21:58 (Ref:1869533)

Fair enough. Yeah, I'd seen your avatar pic Zef, one of my reasons for asking on here!

zefarelly · 18 Mar 2007, 07:49 (Ref:1869930)

if you can't read my numbers I'd argue you can't see full stop, therefore take a desk job! no disrespect to anyone but sight probably isn't the best faculty to loose in the world of motorsport

**John Turner** · 18 Mar 2007, 09:35 (Ref:1869987)

Is this an issue confined to Historics or has this debate a wider potential audience in the Racers forum?

Zef, you are right about modern racers; much harder to locate the racing no. but as you say, with transponders, not as important as it once was.

PS -Hope your cold gets better!

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Originally Posted by zefarelly

a black one on the boddet . . . .

zefarelly · 18 Mar 2007, 09:44 (Ref:1869993)

its better thanks . . .the wine blew it away . . . and my ability to type

275 GTB-4 · 19 Mar 2007, 05:19 (Ref:1871044)

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Originally Posted by zefarelly

I have red roundels on my doors, and a black one on the boddet . . . . its as was in period, no ones ever said anything to me.

when you look at most modern cars they have so much crap all over them you can't see the number anyway, besides which no one reads them, you've got a transponder fitted !

Still important though Zef, for the Judge of Fact to confirm/adjudge who is first across the line in spite of the transponders, as a back up when timing systems fail, the transponder fails or falls off!! and last but by no means least for trackside officials to clearly identify which car they are talking/writing about.

zefarelly · 19 Mar 2007, 11:28 (Ref:1871281)

I agree 275GTB-4 . . .but I do think mine are quite clear . . .even in the avatar !

white Nos on Black are just as clear as black on white

Biff · 3 Apr 2007, 11:59 (Ref:1882645)

If its any help. I've run both combinations lots of times and never been stopped by the scruts. I thinks it is down to a bit of common sense.

The general rule I have followed is, if the colour of the car is a light colour, white, cream, pale yellow or as with my present car pale blue, I run black roundels with white numbers. When the car is a dark colour BRG for instance I run white roundelas and black numbers.

These combinations assist with the point 275 GTB-4 made bacause they define the roundel and as such the number more clearly.

AndyV · 3 Apr 2007, 13:24 (Ref:1882699)

I've got away with no roundel at all on the bonnet for the last two years, I just put the black numbers on my silver bonnet stripes. Never had any comments from marshalls, scrutineers or time keepers. Still have the standard black on white on the doors though.

http://www.redshoes-archive.com/info...=16442&cat=733

Cheers
Andy

Bullett · 4 Apr 2007, 07:42 (Ref:1883146)

I did timing a couple of times when they were short on helpers and we were told it is mainly if the number is unreadable such as a white number on silver. I don't know about overseas but here in Australia they have 2 people who write down by hand each car in order they are seen crossing the line and these people need to be able to read it. This is used to check if a transponder fails whilst circulating etc. We are becoming more reliant on transponder's but it still should be noted there are people who have to read your number!

Al Weyman · 4 Apr 2007, 08:02 (Ref:1883165)

I would like to see timekeepers done away with and monies saved used to reduce entry fees (unless they wanted to do it for nothing and no expenses, it is a sport or hobby for them after all, isn't it?). If everyone was made aware of the fact that the trade off would be no back up if the transponders went down I dont think it would be a problem if we were all saving money.

ensign14 · 4 Apr 2007, 08:04 (Ref:1883168)

Technically British racing colours were green with white numbers. Maybe you could protest everyone with black numbers on white roundels in international events?

Slippy Diff · 4 Apr 2007, 22:26 (Ref:1883709)

Has to be white roundels with black numbers. No other combination will do