VSR at Rockingham

Minicross424 · 20 Jan 2006, 16:41 (Ref:1505341)

I read in Autosport this week that the VSR series is going to support the SCSA / Pickups at Rockingham.
I think this is fantastic news and will add an extra buzz to the meetings.
John Clark is hoping that this might attract more V6 VSRs.
It might, why not let the V6 VSRs run on the oval?
Your thoughts?

Chigley · 20 Jan 2006, 17:42 (Ref:1505405)

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why not let the V6 VSRs run on the oval?

Because we haven't got enough Rescue Units and stretchers.

R59 · 20 Jan 2006, 20:20 (Ref:1505506)

And Sonny Howard wouldn't be able to build replacements fast enough.

I also have a feeling that this will not be in the best interests of Rockingham. VSR's have not been able to provide a decent grids since the days when it was Eurocars. Rockingham (in fact all circuits) needs decent grids, not empty grids.

Perhaps the BRSCC feel that the VSR's fit the bill for Rockingham, as they are "that type of car". I suppose it'll be Super Silhouettes next.... (10 2L Hotrods with windows buzzing around)

Rob.

Ian Sowman · 20 Jan 2006, 20:30 (Ref:1505512)

The deal is that the VSR/Super Silhouette championship will support the main events. And those that followed it in 2005 know that the class provided growing grids (usually around 20) at the majority of meetings last season. And the racing was often fantastic.

PaulSands · 20 Jan 2006, 22:03 (Ref:1505582)

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Originally Posted by Minicross424

why not let the V6 VSRs run on the oval?
Your thoughts?

Speaking to somebody on the stand at the NEC it also has something to do with them being right hand drive also....its a shame cos they'd be well cool on the oval

R59 · 20 Jan 2006, 22:07 (Ref:1505585)

Then go the other way around!

Minicross424 · 21 Jan 2006, 12:06 (Ref:1505914)

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Originally Posted by PaulSands

Speaking to somebody on the stand at the NEC it also has something to do with them being right hand drive also....its a shame cos they'd be well cool on the oval

The VSR (what used to be eurocars ) are left hand drive and correct the others are right hand drive.
My thought was would you be able to muster up at grid of VSRs only for the oval?
Thought it would be a good entry level for those of use who want a cheap way of getting into the big ovals.
Saying that ive no idea how much a season in pickups costs.

R59 · 22 Jan 2006, 18:55 (Ref:1506859)

Typical running costs for a pickup would be about £2K per round, providing you don't keep having affectionate cuddles with other competitors or the wall.

I'm sure you could probably to it cheaper, but expect to be at the blunt end of the field.

That figure came from the crew chief of one of the leading cars.

Talking to a senior figure in SCSA, other than damage, you should be able to run a SCSA car for very little too. Mike Verger's dramatic roll last year cost about £17K to repair. Compare that to a touring car.... errr no, I don't think I will!

Rob.

Garry Holmes · 23 Jan 2006, 16:53 (Ref:1507440)

Didn't they run the "wrong" way round at Mallory, wheras the pick ups went clockwise?

Ian Sowman · 23 Jan 2006, 17:02 (Ref:1507450)

Correct.

R59 · 23 Jan 2006, 19:26 (Ref:1507543)

It would then be an issue as to whether the championship could have their permit modified to allow them to run on the oval, and also if Rockingham would want them to run on the oval.......(and if they had time to clear up the mess!)

ascarmarshal · 23 Jan 2006, 19:53 (Ref:1507571)

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Originally Posted by racing59

Then go the other way around!

Impossible due to the signal lights facing for anti-clockwise racing

R59 · 23 Jan 2006, 20:04 (Ref:1507577)

Very valid point. One would have thought that the lights would face both directions, but alas, the sparkies didn't fit them like that..

Darnit!

Though, looking at the other massages in the thread, the VSR's are left hookers, so no problems, they can go anti-clockwise like everyone else.

Rob.

ss_collins · 24 Jan 2006, 15:10 (Ref:1508090)

the VSR's are but are the National Hot Rods? (Super Sils)

Put some things straight VSR is one series, Sils are another (NHRPA 2 Ltr Hot Rods) and Super Sils another again (NHRPA National Hot Rods). The two NHRPA series are right hookers, and run clockwise. So if the VSR's are running on the big oval then they can only run on thier own (all 5 of them) or perhaps with Baby Grands (bout 6 of them)

HOWEVER!! there is a big meeting this year at Rockingham run by the ORC with the pickups, both NHRPA classes (the real thing not the BRSCC version), and Brisca F1. It was suggested to me by a man who is more in the know than anyone that the NHRPA National Hot Rods will be running on the full oval and as its also and Irish round it will be the biggest grid ever at the rock - at least 40 cars.

Mega is an understatement

PaulSands · 24 Jan 2006, 15:19 (Ref:1508098)

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Originally Posted by Garry Holmes

Didn't they run the "wrong" way round at Mallory, wheras the pick ups went clockwise?

I'm confused...last year the VSR's seemed to going round the same way that everybody else did
http://www.paulsands.org/mal090405/b.../IMG_8210.html
and the year before
http://www.paulsands.org/mal120904/b.../Img_6681.html
or am I thinking of something else???

ascarmarshal · 24 Jan 2006, 15:20 (Ref:1508100)

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Originally Posted by ss_collins

HOWEVER!! there is a big meeting this year at Rockingham run by the ORC with the pickups, both NHRPA classes (the real thing not the BRSCC version), and Brisca F1. It was suggested to me by a man who is more in the know than anyone that the NHRPA National Hot Rods will be running on the full oval and as its also and Irish round it will be the biggest grid ever at the rock - at least 40 cars.

Mega is an understatement

Expect the maximum number on any circuit at Rockingham can start is 36

Ian Sowman · 24 Jan 2006, 15:24 (Ref:1508107)

It wouldn't be an MSA meeting though ascarmarshal, so that limit doesn't apply.

Ian Sowman · 24 Jan 2006, 15:25 (Ref:1508108)

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Originally Posted by PaulSands

I'm confused...last year the VSR's seemed to going round the same way that everybody else did
http://www.paulsands.org/mal090405/b.../IMG_8210.html
and the year before
http://www.paulsands.org/mal120904/b.../Img_6681.html
or am I thinking of something else???

Yes, they have done recently - but back in the good ol' days of Eurocar they ran anticlockwise on the Mallory mile and some other rather strange circuits. Although mostly the went the same way as everyone else.

ascarmarshal · 24 Jan 2006, 15:27 (Ref:1508111)

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Originally Posted by Ian Sowman

It wouldn't be an MSA meeting though ascarmarshal, so that limit doesn't apply.

This came up a few years ago when we were fed up with the MSA trying force us to run an oval meeting as a road course meeting . We asked does the SCSA have to run under an MSA permit and we were told that Rockingham has to run under MSA permit or they wouldn't be allowed to run any MSA sanctioned event there

Ian Sowman · 24 Jan 2006, 15:30 (Ref:1508116)

As far as I can see it is the same scenario as the Incarace-promoted meetings at Mallory in recent years, though. We had 40+ starters there on occasion. Not sure what the workaround is, but there evidently is one.

ss_collins · 24 Jan 2006, 15:36 (Ref:1508119)

Paul those are Super Sils not NHRPA Nationals - super sils are the road course versions and run anyway they please. On an oval the driver sits on the side of the car furthest from the wall. So which hand drive they are determines which way they go.

Also what maybe referred to is the NHRPA races at Mallory (on the Mile oval), the Super Sils don't run this course

Ascarmarshal if there was a non MSA meeting at a track the MSA could not refuse to have MSA meeting there in future as that would be restriction of trade. PLUS the meeting on 9th & 10th September at Rockingham this year is organised by Spedeworth International not the MSA

andy97 · 24 Jan 2006, 16:47 (Ref:1508160)

As I understand it, the VSR V6's actually fall in to 2 sorts of car - the original Eurocar Mondeo bodied cars which are left hand drive and the Pontiac Grand Am bodied cars which are, strangely, right hand drive.

ss_collins · 24 Jan 2006, 17:24 (Ref:1508199)

I didn't know that - quite bizzare

Rod Birley · 24 Jan 2006, 21:02 (Ref:1508375)

If its an MSA licenced meeting you have to run to their track limits (usually set by insurance). For ORC (Spedeworth, Incarace or RDC etc) it is what their insurance company will allow. It is therefore difficult to run the two together unless you have a defined break, stand down the MSA officials, then hand over the reigns to the ORC people. When the stock rods came to race the stock hatches at Lydden on the rallycross track, all the drivers had to have MSA licences and they ran to MSA rules. Similarly on the return at Ipswich they all had to have ORC (Spedeworth) licences.

JohnMiller · 24 Jan 2006, 21:04 (Ref:1508378)

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Originally Posted by ss_collins

PLUS the meeting on 9th & 10th September at Rockingham this year is organised by Spedeworth International not the MSA

The SCSAs and PTRs will come under MSA.

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