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Old 31 Aug 2017, 01:56 (Ref:3763084)   #1
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Blow to Nissan Supercars future??

Speedcafe report that Richard Emery, the greatest champion of Nissan's involvement in the Australian series has left the Japanese marque and replaced by Canadian Stephen Lester formerly of Infiniti.

Emery departs Nissan Australia
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Old 31 Aug 2017, 02:03 (Ref:3763086)   #2
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definitely increases the concern. but the two year commitment was also a concern
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Old 31 Aug 2017, 03:12 (Ref:3763097)   #3
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Old 31 Aug 2017, 05:58 (Ref:3763104)   #4
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Even if they do withdraw, hopefully we will see them allow Kelly Racing to keep the altimas for now
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Old 31 Aug 2017, 11:21 (Ref:3763146)   #5
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Even if they do withdraw, hopefully we will see them allow Kelly Racing to keep the altimas for now
Sure, but why should they if the Commodore (mainly the engine) is more competitive. Nothing wrong with a Commodore cup, or indeed a no-manufacturer cup should Holden follow the trend and also withdraw.
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Old 31 Aug 2017, 11:32 (Ref:3763150)   #6
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Sure, but why should they if the Commodore (mainly the engine) is more competitive. Nothing wrong with a Commodore cup, or indeed a no-manufacturer cup should Holden follow the trend and also withdraw.
The Altima has given most commodores a run for its money in a good season, 16. Even this year they are beating more established Holden teams, BJR, Walkinshaw, and of course, LDM. The Altima isn't slow as such, its just getting the right set up on the new tyres, which a number of people have battled to do, even Lowndes.
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The Altima has given most commodores a run for its money in a good season, 16. Even this year they are beating more established Holden teams, BJR, Walkinshaw, and of course, LDM. The Altima isn't slow as such, its just getting the right set up on the new tyres, which a number of people have battled to do, even Lowndes.
Mr Ingall has driven in combat the works HRT Commodore, PRA Falcon and NisMo Nissan the last couple of years, and his view has always been the Nissan has the weakest engine across the relevant usuable power range of the 3 brand models.

In whose lifetime has Altima won any VASC series in the 5 years of the CotF history?

We have 3 Commodore VASC series wins, Falcon 1 series win, and this year still to play for.

Anything less than challenging for a championship in a parity formula is underperforming surely? Especially for a works team!
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Old 31 Aug 2017, 12:45 (Ref:3763165)   #8
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Anything less than challenging for a championship in a parity formula is underperforming surely? Especially for a works team!
Certainly! One could argue the case for concessions for the Nissan outfits, or at least ballast to be added to the Fords and Holdens!
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Even if they do withdraw, hopefully we will see them allow Kelly Racing to keep the altimas for now
Where would the incentive be to keep developing the Altima's, rowing their own boat without any support?

Much easier to get a Commodore which would be in a full development swing under Triple 8 and go from there.
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Whether you judge this program by wins,podiums or Altima sales it has been a bust.Could not figure out why they stayed after 2016.
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I'm pretty sure their spend on Supercars is more than $36,000.
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I'm pretty sure their spend on Supercars is more than $36,000.
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I will preface this by saying I am a Nissan owner, and Nissan Motorsport member. I have 2 Nissans in the driveway at the moment. No Altimas, not my cup of tea at all. No utes or SUVs either. OK, the Altima has not been a sales success - but was the Supercars program about moving Altimas, or about brand marketing? Let's face it, a CVT equipped fwd V6 isn't going to get a lot of peoples blood rushing.

I don't get how people want more manufacturers, but when one comes in, in 2013, they get bagged because of a poor win/loss record. So if Kia comes in, and is also a middle of the road team, I guess they will get bagged as well.

When Nissan and the Erebus AMG entered with DOHC motors, they had to stick with engine parameters relevant to the OHV Fords/Chevs, both with long development history. At least when Volvo came in they were allowed to use a different bore/stroke to arrive at the 5000cc - possibly that was a factor in why their DOHC was a success. AMG and Volvo are gone, but Nissan is still hanging in there.

Nissan have not been a winner (apart from a couple), but they have not been a failure, either. They are usually middle of the road, with some weaker and some stronger results. An LDM they are not!

With all the bleating about the VASC future, with no new manufacturers on the horizon, and with Holden being the only other manufacturer committing dollars to the game, that there would be a bit more positivity about trying to keep Nissan in instead of trying to create a negative about Mr Emery leaving. Or do you guys want VASC to become the VCC (VACC is taken)???

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I will preface this by saying I am a Nissan owner, and Nissan Motorsport member. I have 2 Nissans in the driveway at the moment. No Altimas, not my cup of tea at all. No utes or SUVs either. OK, the Altima has not been a sales success - but was the Supercars program about moving Altimas, or about brand marketing? Let's face it, a CVT equipped fwd V6 isn't going to get a lot of peoples blood rushing.

I don't get how people want more manufacturers, but when one comes in, in 2013, they get bagged because of a poor win/loss record. So if Kia comes in, and is also a middle of the road team, I guess they will get bagged as well.

When Nissan and the Erebus AMG entered with DOHC motors, they had to stick with engine parameters relevant to the OHV Fords/Chevs, both with long development history. At least when Volvo came in they were allowed to use a different bore/stroke to arrive at the 5000cc - possibly that was a factor in why their DOHC was a success. AMG and Volvo are gone, but Nissan is still hanging in there.

Nissan have not been a winner (apart from a couple), but they have not been a failure, either. They are usually middle of the road, with some weaker and some stronger results. An LDM they are not!

With all the bleating about the VASC future, with no new manufacturers on the horizon, and with Holden being the only other manufacturer committing dollars to the game, that there would be a bit more positivity about trying to keep Nissan in instead of trying to create a negative about Mr Emery leaving. Or do you guys want VASC to become the VCC (VACC is taken)???
It would be great if Nissan wanted to stay. A start would be to sign top-level drivers like the off-contract Mr. Mostert to pilot the Nissan chariots.

Unfortunately, it doesn't seem like Nissan Motorsport has the proper budget and (subsequently) proper choice of drivers to be a competitive force.

I would definitely be in favour of Nissan receiving parity concessions on the engine front. That Volvo were able to allowed a longer stroke than everyone else is most unfair, and was a big advantage to them given the low 7500rpm rev limit (whereby torque is what you want to optimise).
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Unfortunately, it doesn't seem like Nissan Motorsport has the proper budget and (subsequently) proper choice of drivers to be a competitive force.
Good question. Does Nissan kick in enough dollars to the effort to decide who drives the cars?

They presumebly choose Caruso to drive the car with their stickers all over it, but what about the other two cars driven by the Kelly's?

The 4th car is seemingly a rent-a-car with the driver needing to bring the budget (Dale Wood in 2016, Simona in 2017)
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