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Old 16 Sep 2019, 10:05 (Ref:3928287)   #16
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Have a look to your HANS clips, I remember two different non compatible models are homologated. The ref are engraved both on the helmet and the tethers, they must comply.
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Old 16 Sep 2019, 17:42 (Ref:3928365)   #17
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Have a look to your HANS clips, I remember two different non compatible models are homologated. The ref are engraved both on the helmet and the tethers, they must comply.
Yes, the requirements were changed, thus the homologation number. Later helmet clips have larger diameter retaining bolts, from memory. As Gerard says, the homologation number on your HANS must be same as the clips..... (If youíve got or are getting a new helmet it will only take the later clips.)
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Old 17 Sep 2019, 10:21 (Ref:3928491)   #18
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Thanks for the further advice, the helmet is brand new so will have the latest style HANs clips :-)

I've found out a bit more about my fire extinguisher, it's a lifeline which was last serviced in March 2018. So if I have this right it will need to be serviced again in March 2020?

Another question, transponders. I know I can hire one on the day, is this the easiest/cheapest option? If I hire one does it need to go into an existing bracket on the car to hold it in place? I don't have a bracket currently?
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I made some search for you, Pete, but sometimes my understanding and writing are clear as mudÖ You must check the followings with an official scrutineer. If your homologated helmet shows Hans clips FIA 8858-2002 or FIA 8858-2010 then your Hans tether embroiled label should show FIA 8858-2002. If the helmet clips show FIA 8858-2010 or FIA 8860-2010 then Hans tether embroiled label should be FIA 8858-2010.
Apart that? Take care, some organizers ask for valve plugs to be fitted all round! Right, Mike?
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Another question, transponders. I know I can hire one on the day, is this the easiest/cheapest option? If I hire one does it need to go into an existing bracket on the car to hold it in place? I don't have a bracket currently?
If you are only intending to enter a couple of races per year then yes, but if you are hoping to do a full season I'd invest in one and have it permanently on the car. Many of us have a mylaps transponder which works all over Europe despite Brexit.
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Old 17 Sep 2019, 15:43 (Ref:3928541)   #21
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I've found out a bit more about my fire extinguisher, it's a lifeline which was last serviced in March 2018. So if I have this right it will need to be serviced again in March 2020?
Yes, every 2 years for service. If it’s a steel bottle that will be lifed as well. Think it’s 10 years (yes, just checked) and after that the service agents will replace it- at your expense, of course....

If you buy a new transponder it will obviously come with a bracket. If you hire one you may be able to buy a bracket at the same time, or cable tie the unit somewhere securely! The brackets for self powered ones are designed to be fitted to the car and the unit to then clip in. Obviously recharging has to be done off the car, so mount it somewhere you can get at it! If a wired in transponder, the old ones didn’t have a bracket, but just had mounts for cable ties, rivets or whatever. Not sure about the Mylaps ones.
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Yes, every 2 years for service. If it’s a steel bottle that will be lifed as well. Think it’s 10 years (yes, just checked) and after that the service agents will replace it- at your expense, of course....

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It is not true that fire extinguisher bottles are lifed.

I have this email from the MSA (as was) technical dept:


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There is no maximum life for an extinguisher in either MSA or FIA regulations. Some manufacturers will give their systems a maximum serviceable life but this is a commercial decision for that manufacturer. A non-FIA homologated system can be serviced by any suitably qualified person, however we would recommend that the manufacturers service schedule is followed.

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What this email means is that you can continue to use your steel fire extinguisher beyond 10 years old as long as it has been serviced by a competent fire extinguisher company every 2 years. Lifeline, and their agents will not do this (a “commercial decision”), but others can.
I get my extinguisher serviced by a local, but large, commercial fire engineering company with no issues.

If anyone wants a copy of the email to show scrutinisers (sometimes necessary) please send me a pm with an email address and I will forward.
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Another question, transponders. I know I can hire one on the day, is this the easiest/cheapest option? If I hire one does it need to go into an existing bracket on the car to hold it in place? I don't have a bracket currently?
I have a battery/ rechargeable transponder (canít remember the make, a red one!) and attach it using a couple of tie wraps each time I use it.

The bracket in my old car was attached with tie wraps anyway, so donít think it makes any difference!
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That’s interesting, Andy! I’ve had 2 that Lifeline refused to service, so will make sure that doesn’t happen again....

Thanks for the heads up.
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There is one bit in the MSA letter that needs caution- it says Ďnon FiA homologated systems can be serviced by....etc.í

So what about FiA systems?
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There is one bit in the MSA letter that needs caution- it says Ďnon FiA homologated systems can be serviced by....etc.í

So what about FiA systems?
To maintain homologation I assume they that need to be serviced by the manufacturer/ agent, but homologated systems are not required in national level racing. I donít do international level events so not aware of where homologated systems are required.
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To maintain homologation I assume they that need to be serviced by the manufacturer/ agent, but homologated systems are not required in national level racing. I donít do international level events so not aware of where homologated systems are required.
Spa is top of the list but many mainland Europe circuits are visited by UK organisers / clubs for 1 race per year, e.g. Zandvoort, Nordschleife, Dijon.
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Spa is top of the list but many mainland Europe circuits are visited by UK organisers / clubs for 1 race per year, e.g. Zandvoort, Nordschleife, Dijon.
Sure, but the series (eg CSCC at Spa) usually run to their national (blue book) and club rules (with the exception of seats being in date) . Not sure if extinguishers have ever been required to be homologated, indeed, i think that up to now CSCC ( and presumably other UK clubs) have had a dispensation to continue to run 2.25 litre extinguishers rather than the 4 litres that i think are required in Europe.

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Sure, but the series (eg CSCC at Spa) usually run to their national (blue book) and club rules (with the exception of seats being in date) . Not sure if extinguishers have ever been required to be homologated, indeed, i think that up to now CSCC ( and presumably other UK clubs) have had a dispensation to continue to run 2.25 litre extinguishers rather than the 4 litres that i think are required in Europe.
Yes, I didn't explain that at all well! When CSCC visits Spa we run to RACB rules for safety items, these are on the Spa Summer Classic website. Unlike here at home, the minimum extinguisher is just a handheld 2.25l unit - but if a plumbed-in system is fitted then it must be FIA homologated, and comply with the dating regulations.
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