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Old 22 Sep 2019, 13:28 (Ref:3929425)   #16
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BTW can we bring all Oz open wheeler discussion to this forum now such as FF, FV etc? What are the mods views on this as the precedent seems to have been set with the inclusion of S5000.
Can a Moderator please address this instead of trying to ignore it please.
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Old 22 Sep 2019, 22:04 (Ref:3929542)   #17
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Streaming quality was great. The whole package however needs a big cuddle to bring it up to scratch.

Huge S5000 crash.
It wouldn't be a big banger open wheel race at Sandown without someone trying to rip up metres of fencing.
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Old 22 Sep 2019, 23:21 (Ref:3929552)   #18
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Yeah, I thought that was fairly authentic.
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Old 23 Sep 2019, 02:44 (Ref:3929567)   #19
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I was trackside for Saturday and Sunday and thoroughly enjoyed the weekend. Couldnít believe how many people there were for a Shannonís National round. S5000 still is a big drawcard.
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Old 23 Sep 2019, 04:23 (Ref:3929572)   #20
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I was trackside for Saturday and Sunday and thoroughly enjoyed the weekend. Couldnít believe how many people there were for a Shannonís National round. S5000 still is a big drawcard.
Yes an excellent crowd. The S5000s were spectacular especially the start of the second Qualifying race on Sunday. TCR provided great racing . ARG now have a great and varied line up of RELEVANT categories and have definitely ARRIVED on the Australian racing scene.
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Old 24 Sep 2019, 02:53 (Ref:3929813)   #21
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The quicker the AGR mob can get away from sharing meetings with stupid CAMS categories the better. The entertainment value would increase enormously

Sunday's race 3 at Sandown was for CAMS Endurance Championship (GT3 etc).This was for 60 minutes. There were only 12 starters and 10 finishers and only 2 cars finished on the lead lap. HOW BORING

The final Sunday race was for 2 Hr 40 minutes and only 12 starters and 7 finishers. Again only two cars on lead lap. Again HOW BORING

The second last race was for Australian Production car Series. over 45 minutes
Only 16 starters and 14 finishers.

These races may be great fun for the drivers, but do the paying public really want to sit through this rubbish.
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Old 24 Sep 2019, 03:03 (Ref:3929815)   #22
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Not really a CAMS problem.

Both GT and Production Cars have ongoing internal issues within their respective management groups.
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Old 24 Sep 2019, 04:04 (Ref:3929817)   #23
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The quicker the AGR mob can get away from sharing meetings with stupid CAMS categories the better. The entertainment value would increase enormously

Sunday's race 3 at Sandown was for CAMS Endurance Championship (GT3 etc).This was for 60 minutes. There were only 12 starters and 10 finishers and only 2 cars finished on the lead lap. HOW BORING

The final Sunday race was for 2 Hr 40 minutes and only 12 starters and 7 finishers. Again only two cars on lead lap. Again HOW BORING

The second last race was for Australian Production car Series. over 45 minutes
Only 16 starters and 14 finishers.

These races may be great fun for the drivers, but do the paying public really want to sit through this rubbish.
Iím pretty sure this wonít be the case next year.They were with the Nationals to establish themselves but seem to be setting up a program of categories to run their own meetings.A program with TCR,S5000,TCM ,TA2 and maybe 1 other would be a terrific show
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Old 24 Sep 2019, 08:25 (Ref:3929837)   #24
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These races may be great fun for the drivers, but do the paying public really want to sit through this rubbish.

No one is being forced to watch it.

While the boring enduro race is on, have a tour of the pits and check out the S5000 and TCR machinery.

As for the last 2 races, well they're the last 2 races. Head home after the 3rd last race....

Most punters probably went to check out TCR and S5000. Most likely paid their admission without giving much thought to the other supports.


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Old 24 Sep 2019, 10:33 (Ref:3929858)   #25
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The last race can't have been 2hr 40, it started well after 5pm.

Both GT and production have issues causing small fields but the production class had some good racing eg M4 vs Mustang plus others down the field. The Sunday am GT race had GT coming through the field in the Audi although I spent a fair bit of it in the pits etc.
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Can a Moderator please address this instead of trying to ignore it please.
It's being discussed.
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Old 24 Sep 2019, 23:34 (Ref:3929981)   #27
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The last race can't have been 2hr 40, it started well after 5pm.
My comment about the race timing was based on this sheet from the Natsoft site:


http://racing.natsoft.com.au/6450688...28.85j/View?39
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Old 25 Sep 2019, 00:16 (Ref:3929988)   #28
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My comment about the race timing was based on this sheet from the Natsoft site:


http://racing.natsoft.com.au/6450688...28.85j/View?39
The AGT race was originally to be a 3 hour enduro. Due to the programme requirements the race was held over 3 x 1 hour segments, still one race, but in 3 parts.
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Old 25 Sep 2019, 08:25 (Ref:3930030)   #29
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The AGT race was originally to be a 3 hour enduro. Due to the programme requirements the race was held over 3 x 1 hour segments, still one race, but in 3 parts.
Messy, but a 3 hour race with 11 cars in it would be dull to say the least.
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Old 25 Sep 2019, 09:06 (Ref:3930034)   #30
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S5000 on saturday was captivating, be even better if the engines were not covered but all shiny chrome.
TCR, short races good field lots of action, a few known names and some unknowns, fun cars, kept me interested
As much as i love GT3 and GT bathurst 12 hour, the thin field, unknown drivers and long races had me reaching for a book.

Production cars SHOULD be a good category, but its a ramshackle collection of cars, some very old, in different classes, most with only a couple of cars in it. Feels like its a club class for entrants "everyone gets a prize", geared to get anyone who fancies a go. A bit like the local senior cricket or footy club.
Yet the field was still small and the races far too long; might have been fun for a 10 lap dash.

I thought NZ got it right with their supercar supports.
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