More controversy surrounding 2014 engines

[MJones94]

I was looking for some more info on the new engines that come into force in 2014, and I found this:

http://www.pitpass.com/47448-New-F1-...ays-Ecclestone

Is this Bernie trying to direct attention away from him, or is this something to cause concern for the new engines?

[Pingguest]

I doubt whether Pitpass is a reliable source.

[davyboy]

Originally Posted by Pingguest

I doubt whether Pitpass is a reliable source.

Possibly not, but they're reporting what was published here in the Hindustan Times and there are plenty of quotes from BE. I do believe that this is more than just hot air.

[Marbot]

There's a bit about this in the 'Lewis to Merc' thread. No smoke without fire, they say.

The circuit promoters are certainly against the change (noise, of the right type, sells tickets), BE is certainy against it, Montezemolo is certainly against it, and Jean Todt.....What exactly is it that Jean Todt does?

[MJones94]

Originally Posted by Marbot

There's a bit about this in the 'Lewis to Merc' thread. No smoke without fire, they say.

The circuit promoters are certainly against the change (noise, of the right type, sells tickets), BE is certainy against it, Montezemolo is certainly against it, and Jean Todt.....What exactly is it that Jean Todt does?

I have seen Jean Todt more on the WEC and WTCC paddocks than at grand Prix this year.

My personal opinion on the engines is that it is a good thing, but only if there is engine development. Having said this, the close season that we have had thanks to a level(ish) playing field will be most likely eroded.

[nicanary]

Remember the fuss when the new 1.5-litre formula came out in 1961? Nobody wanted it (apart from Ferrari), we all thought it would be dull and boring, wrong noise, wrong speeds etc..

It turned out to be one of the most interesting periods of all - mind you, Ferrari wanted that one. If they're against this one, then their weight of opinion may well see it abandoned before it's started.

[Flavio Galtieri]

Originally Posted by Pingguest

I doubt whether Pitpass is a reliable source.

Pitpass is the publisher, Christian Sylt is the author and he is very, very well connected.

I'm not saying it will happen but I'm pretty damn sure that if Sylt is reporting that Bernie told him that, then he did.

[Adam43]

Mmmm, quick they will be.

(Probably best if you say that in a Yoda voice)

[ptclaus98]

Really? They're worried about the sound?! BS. They let EBD's go, and they've turned the revs down 3K RPM and they sound like **** now compared to when they first came in.

[Marbot]

Originally Posted by ptclaus98

Really? They're worried about the sound?! BS. They let EBD's go, and they've turned the revs down 3K RPM and they sound like **** now compared to when they first came in.

Perhaps it's possible to be 'even more' worried about the sound? Are you also saying that the EBDs made a good sound?!!!

Bring back the days of Ferrari V12s, turning over at a lazy 12-14,000 rpm. Bliss!

The now defunct SuperLeague series has got a whole load of 4.2 litre V12 engines sitting around doing nothing. Someone get Bernie to give them a call!

[ptclaus98]

Originally Posted by Marbot

Perhaps it's possible to be 'even more' worried about the sound? Are you also saying that the EBDs made a good sound?!!!

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Dear God, no! I'm saying they let them happen for a year and a half before sending them to the trash heap.

Bring back the days of Ferrari V12s, turning over at a lazy 12-14,000 rpm. Bliss!

The now defunct SuperLeague series has got a whole load of 4.2 litre V12 engines sitting around doing nothing. Someone get Bernie to give them a call!

This I could definitely get behind.

[wnut]

Originally Posted by ptclaus98

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Dear God, no! I'm saying they let them happen for a year and a half before sending them to the trash heap.



This I could definitely get behind.

Plus 1 to both of these!

Especially the 4.2 litre v12s!

[davyboy]

Originally Posted by Marbot

The now defunct SuperLeague series has got a whole load of 4.2 litre V12 engines sitting around doing nothing. Someone get Bernie to give them a call!

Those Superleague motors sounded incredible... they'll make the new turbos sound like wet farts.

[Richard C]

Regardless of what they eventually do… My first thought is that all of this hand wringing and waffling back and forth just seems so amateurish. I shouldn’t be astonished at the amount self inflicted pain there is in F1, but I am. If they don't move forward how much money has already been spent on R&D for the new engines?

Richard

[Marbot]

Deep down, F1 fans are just petrolheads just like all the rest of motorsport people are (except truck racing, obviously). Yes, there are diesel engined racing cars/vehicles here and there, but they are somewhat unloved by the viewing public.

So, a series like F1 has got to be careful about what it feels is relevant to making it acceptable to the fans as well as challenging to the manufacturers supplying the engines.

[JeremySmith]

Originally Posted by Richard Casto

Regardless of what they eventually do… My first thought is that all of this hand wringing and waffling back and forth just seems so amateurish. I shouldn’t be astonished at the amount self inflicted pain there is in F1, but I am. If they don't move forward how much money has already been spent on R&D for the new engines?

Richard

I have to agree, at times I just shake my head in disbelief...

[mountainstar]

Originally Posted by davyboy

Those Superleague motors sounded incredible... they'll make the new turbos sound like wet farts.

I love the Superleague motors, they sounded beautiful.

Hopefully now that Superleague is dead, the cars and engines will get turned loose on the market so private individuals can run them.

I was never a fan of F1 even moving away from 3.0 liter V10's, so going to 1.6 V6 engines doesn't impress.

[Marbot]

Originally Posted by mountainstar

I love the Superleague motors, they sounded beautiful.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJqQ1sxhOhs

MECHANICAL MUSIC!

[Marcus666]

Originally Posted by mountainstar

I love the Superleague motors, they sounded beautiful.

Hopefully now that Superleague is dead, the cars and engines will get turned loose on the market so private individuals can run them.

I was never a fan of F1 even moving away from 3.0 liter V10's, so going to 1.6 V6 engines doesn't impress.

Well, I think the Superleague engines would sound much better if they were able to hit 15-16.000 rpm instead of just 11-12.000 .

[Peter Mallett]

I went to the WEC at Bahrain last weekend. Got to say that the Audi is some piece of kit. But it makes no noise. It accelerates, it oversteers (a bit), it looks drop dead gorgeous and as a racing fan, I can relate to it. However, what's the point of a silent racing car?

Quite frankly, the FIA should be burning fossil fuels like there's no tomorrow! Let's. Face it, the only people it would upset is the greens and anything faster than a 2cv frightens them anyway. Why pander to a minority at the expense of sport?

Note: I realise this is over simplifying but I hope you get, my drift.

[Southern Man]

Originally Posted by Peter Mallett

the only people it would upset is the greens and anything faster than a 2cv frightens them anyway. Why pander to a minority at the expense of sport?

Unfortunately these are the SOB's that make up so much of local body govt world wide that controls where and when we can play with our toys

[mountainstar]

Originally Posted by Southern Man

Unfortunately these are the SOB's that make up so much of local body govt world wide that controls where and when we can play with our toys

Need to vote them out then. These pollies sometimes forget they are our employees, not the other way around.

[Oldtony]

I'm a 75 year old ludite who loves the sound of V12s.
But this seemingly automatic assumption that any change or dimunition of noise wil hurt attendance at F1 races needs a bit of thought.
I know a number of people who have attended an F1 GP who will never go back because the sound hurts!
The other point is that noise is the major limitation on the sites and format of race tracks.
Why continue deliberately maximising the problem when the natural fit for new F1 engines offers both technological relevance and some easing of what many would call the "noise problem?"

[chillibowl]

Originally Posted by Peter Mallett

Why pander to a minority at the expense of sport?

should we be surprised considering all the other rule changes we have accepted in the name of entertainment...which is just another way of saying lowest common denominator.

thats what they do and its not like we are going to stop watching so how would they know or why would they care.

Originally Posted by Oldtony

Why continue deliberately maximising the problem when the natural fit for new F1 engines offers both technological relevance and some easing of what many would call the "noise problem?"

ill start by saying that i think the sound is important but your question is a very good one. i for one am willing to rethink my position on the 'noise problem'

F1 should be relevant or at least perceived that way. the vast majority of people (fans or not) believe that there should be either more environmental regulation or at the least want to perceive that things are moving in that direction. Fuel efficiency is the number one concern for car buyers and every brand associated with F1 highlights their positive contributions to environmental causes.

im not sure using the turbo's is pandering to the minority. BE considering not using them is not even pandering to their sponsors so that should be an indication of how far from the plot he has strayed.

[gregtummer]

Well the difference for Le Mans is that the Audis (and previously the Peugeots) are the only ones silent as you get a lot of different engine sounds at Le Mans.

But nobody would accept an entire field of silent cars.