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Old 27 Feb 2014, 14:56 (Ref:3372765)   #1
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Old 27 Feb 2014, 15:13 (Ref:3372770)   #2
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To judge by the griping on here about the disruption caused by Olympics/Tour de France/w.h.y. I think it's a pretty bad idea. It'll only upset local opinion and that won't help the public perception of "motor sport" one jot. The radio this morning seemed obsessed with a London GP, so local NIMBYs will be convinced that the first planning permission notice will pre-sage the arrival of Lewis Hamilton and hordes of spectators.

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Old 27 Feb 2014, 16:06 (Ref:3372796)   #3
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Watford town centre Ring road would be a cool circuit lol!
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Old 27 Feb 2014, 17:04 (Ref:3372810)   #4
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Closed roads to me means not F1, but rallying, and if we in UK can join Ireland, IOM, Isle of Mull and most of mainland Europe by having stage rallies on closed public roads (like cycle races do ) then hope it happens. Best rallies I ever did were in Belgium and IOM on closed roads!

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Old 27 Feb 2014, 18:42 (Ref:3372855)   #5
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Birmingham Super Prix please...
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Old 27 Feb 2014, 20:24 (Ref:3372909)   #6
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Birmingham Super Prix please...
That'll never happen unfortunately. Not only has the road network changed but, I am told, the Corporation sold/scrapped all the barriers some years ago.
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Old 27 Feb 2014, 22:10 (Ref:3372935)   #7
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I was only half joking in my previous post. I know my glass is perpetually half empty but I think we could cause a great deal of harm.

Sorry to be out of step. I doubt anyone here agrees with me so I'll shut up now.

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Old 27 Feb 2014, 22:40 (Ref:3372948)   #8
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Half joking or not but I don't see this advancing motorsport, except perhaps some rallying. There are enough (more than enough!) restrictions on permanent circuits and hill climbs and I can't see many (any?) local communities having anything but opposition to any closed road events. I'm happy to be proved wrong!
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Old 28 Feb 2014, 06:31 (Ref:3373030)   #9
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I was only half joking in my previous post. I know my glass is perpetually half empty but I think we could cause a great deal of harm.

Sorry to be out of step. I doubt anyone here agrees with me so I'll shut up now.
Surely it is all to do with this dream of a London GP being touted again? We are, however, out of step with rest of Europe and IMHO our event in the WRC, whatever it is called, could be raised in profile with more choice of roads and therfore stages.
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Old 28 Feb 2014, 08:20 (Ref:3373052)   #10
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Surely it is all to do with this dream of a London GP being touted again? We are, however, out of step with rest of Europe and IMHO our event in the WRC, whatever it is called, could be raised in profile with more choice of roads and therfore stages.
I'm sure that an act of Parliament can be enacted for single events like the London GP, as was the case for the Birmingham event. Given how long it takes Silverstone to put up and dismantle temporary grandstands, I can't see the capital's citizens being enamoured with the disruption.

Anyway I thought the electric car series was racing in London next year?
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Old 28 Feb 2014, 08:30 (Ref:3373056)   #11
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It will need a billionaire or two, to get F.1 on the streets..........

What about Swindon! including the Magic Roundabout.
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Old 28 Feb 2014, 08:44 (Ref:3373060)   #12
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The way the country is at the moment powerboat racing would probably suit some towns !
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Old 28 Feb 2014, 09:19 (Ref:3373076)   #13
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All the important bits condensed into one post:

The full proposal can be read here:

https://www.gov.uk/government/upload...ary_FINAL.docx

The government are asking for public response to the questions on page 23: I have shown them below (in bold) to save to you time, along with the MSA recommended answers.


Q1. Do you agree with the proposal to give local authorities the powers to allow motor sport events on public roads subject to the local consultation? If you disagree please give reasons.
Yes I agree. The UK leads the world in terms of motor sport with the industry generating an estimated £9bn for the economy annually and employing 41,000 people in 4,300 companies. Yet the UK lags behind much of the rest of the world, including the Channel Islands, the Isle of Man and Northern Ireland, in not allowing motor sport events to take place on closed public roads.

Allowing motor sport events to be held on closed public roads will provide an economic boost to host communities; support the growth of UK motor sport and the associated industry; allow engaging events to be created; and create a valuable platform for taking road safety messaging to the wider public.

Q2. Do you agree that local authorities should be able to close roads for motor sport events? If you disagree please give reasons.
Yes I agree. Empowering local authorities to be able to close roads for motor sport events would represent a positive devolution of power. It will mean that local people, rather than politicians in Westminster, will be able to determine what happens on the roads in their region and will ensure that Parliament does not need to spend its valuable time debating whether or not to close a road somewhere in the country. It is an important principle that no organisation other than the Local Authority should be granted powers to close its roads, as this ensures that no event can be forced upon a region against the will of the locally elected Authority.

Q3. Do you agree that local authorities should have the power under certain circumstances to suspend the speed limit and applicable road traffic regulations? If there are any traffic regulations you would prefer not to see suspended, please give reasons.
Yes, I agree that local authorities should have the power under certain circumstances to suspend the speed limit and applicable road traffic regulations. This is on the understanding that the road traffic regulations are replaced by established and robust sporting regulations, as laid down by the MSA and ACU, to ensure that all events are well organised, properly regulated and fully insured.

Q4. Do you agree that the Motor Sports Association and the Auto Cycle Union should be the “Authorising Authority” for any motor sport events on public roads?
Yes I agree. The Motor Sports Association (MSA) and the Auto-Cycle Union (ACU) both have many decades of experience of governing four- and two-wheel motor sport in the UK. The MSA is recognised by motor sport’s world governing body, the Fédération Internationale de l’Automobile (FIA), as the sole national sporting authority for four-wheel motor sport in the UK. The ACU is similarly recognised by the Fédération Internationale de Motocyclisme (FIM) as the national sporting authority for two-wheel motor sport in the British Isles. They are the only organisations with the experience, knowledge and resources necessary to act as the Authorising Authorities for any motor sport events on public roads.

With the MSA and ACU as Authorising Authorities, only drivers and riders who have been formally licensed for competition by the governing bodies would be eligible to take part in motor sport events on closed public roads. The MSA and ACU licensing structures are suitably robust and rigorously enforced to ensure that licensed competitors are suitably competent to take part in the motor sport events they enter.

Q5. Do you agree that the Sports Ground Safety Authority could provide valuable expertise and guidance to ensure motor sport events on roads can be delivered safely?
No, I doubt that the SGSA would be able to add value in this environment. Both the Motor Sports Association (MSA) and the Auto-Cycle Union (ACU) operate comprehensive, long-established and successful risk management programmes for four- and two-wheel motor sport respectively.

Motor sport is a unique and complex sporting activity and requires specific experience and expertise to deal with its diverse events and venues, and especially to manage the risks associated with vehicles travelling at speed which is unique to our sport. It seems unlikely that the SGSA would be able to offer anything valuable in this context over and above the experts from the MSA and ACU, other than perhaps the facilitation of a forum for liaison with the necessary statutory bodies.

Furthermore, the involvement of another body simply introduces an additional layer of bureaucracy that inevitably adds costs to organisers and competitors alike.


At the very least copy and paste the above, or better still type your own reply if you have time and send it to:

msc@culture.gsi.gov.uk
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Old 28 Feb 2014, 11:53 (Ref:3373140)   #14
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As a very experienced rally organiser, this has been banded about for a long time, the success of the Tour of Mull and Jim Clark Memorial Rally shows that they can work in the right places and are welcomed by the local people. However running a rally like that takes a huge amount of work, almost beyond what a club can do.
There are only a very few places where you could run a closed road rally. You have to find a set of good twisty roads near a town with enough facilites, not in a National Park or an area with a lot of holiday homes. That's just for a start as you then have to get local folk and the local authority on side.
Here is Cumbria we have a long history of fantastic road rallies in the past but despite having great roads and some ideal towns as bases, I think the chances are are bout 1% due to two national parks and lots of holiday homes in the few areas outside the NPs.
Any rally would have to be a really big one to justify the effort and bring the income to justify it to the local community.
What I do see is the possibility of sprint and hill climb events. There are a number of "demonstration" events like the one at Kop Hill that could be made competitive.
What I find annoying is that the documents sent to clubs yesterday were all about rallies and hill climbs but then we get big news items on the TV about the "London GP" which was not mentioned by the MSA
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Old 28 Feb 2014, 12:40 (Ref:3373152)   #15
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At the risk of sounding facetious I think it might be difficult to find many roads in good enough condition to use.
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